Can we have a new rule re: Mags v Clips comments?

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  1. Jimbo80

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    I don't know about anyone else but I think it's about time to finally cease and desist the whole "It's a magazine not a clip" BS when someone uses the term clip. It recently even raised its ugly head in an RIP thread. Is there a gun person on earth that doesn't know exactly what someone means when they say "I need a clip for my .45"? It's been decades since "clips" became universal slang for magazine. It's time to get over it guys and gals and accept it. Maybe take that energy in correcting everyone that uses "loose" when they mean "lose" and vice versa.
     
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    I'm at the point where it doesn't bother me when someone inexperienced with guns uses incorrect terminology. That's just to be expected with everything.
    The only place where it does bother me is in conversations about reloading, where most peoples usage of 'bullets' for cartridges can cause confusion or lack of understanding.
     
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    Sling vs carry strap.
     
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    You must've said "clip" in a crowd of "magazine" folks. :evil:
     
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  6. Walkalong

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    Bullets. :D
    6 45 Reloads - 2.JPG

    Or are these bullets? :D
    Bart's Bullets Pic 2.JPG
     
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    The bullet comes out of the barrel
    The cartridge goes into the breech
    As you take care with your apparel
    Take equal care with your speech

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  8. edwardware

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    I gather you're unfortunate enough to not own any clip-fed weapons, or regularly engage in literate discussion with those who know the difference

    The distinction matters, especially in conversation regarding arms history, development, and design.

    Tires and wheels, bolts and screws, explosives and propellants, extractors and ejectors. . . we have different words because the difference matters. If you wish to conflate the terms in your conversation, we'll probably figure out what you meant from the context, and we'll think you were careless to not use the right term.
     
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    uhh no.
     
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    It seems to be a popular pastime to use the wrong term through needless ignorance or to elicit comments which would only come from a nazi, which has come to mean anyone with whom one disagrees. That may be part of the same process by which junk, once defined as solid waste or detritus, became a term for heroin, and later for genitalia. The unspoken message: I am showing that I don't need to follow the rules, because you should know what I mean from context or other cues.

    I am unlikely to correct someone unless there is some mutual benefit in doing so. I am likely to make my own appraisal of the language mangler's experience and perspicacity.

    Edited to try to get back in a gun-related direction. We prize accuracy and precision in our shooting. Why not make the effort to be clear and concise in our communication as well?
     
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    I think its a charming debate every time. M1 garands are worth reminding people of, keeps the value up!
     
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    Ever since I noticed a decline in the quality control of many online news articles, as manifested through misspellings which would have never been allowed out into the wild even 15 years ago, I’ve come to realize that we as a society have become too mentally and verbally lazy to actually care.

    Soon, our language precision will devolve to the point that discussing the difference between a magazine and clip will seem like a high level intellectual discussion, and the word “thingie” will mean anything from an AR15, to an Abrams tank, to a baby spoon.

    Edited in a belayted attempt to check for speling...
     
  13. mokin

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    I try to look passed it but it does grate on me. I have firearms that are magazine fed and I have firearms that are clip fed. I don't mix the two up.
     
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    That is a great point. It goes much further than the debate we have here regarding feeding systems on our favorite guns. It's also interesting that you specifically picked a time frame of about 15 years ago. I noticed about that time that news media people began replacing the word "guerilla" with the word "militant." To steer this back toward firearms, if anyone has taken the time to look at the recent spate of gun control bills, they are very specific in their language.
     
  15. Charlie98

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    The truth is the truth... words mean things. A clip is a clip, a magazine is a magazine. If I know what you mean, that's one thing, but if you are asking a question and use the wrong term... well, I have to correct you because I need to know if we are on the same sheet of music. I have been corrected here in the hallowed forums, meself. Although it smarted a bit, after thinking about it, the corrector was correct.

    My big one is caliber and cartridge. They can be 2 very different things. I handload cartridges... not calibers.

    Am I being a reloading Nazi? Well... maybe so.
     
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    Well, I can pretty much guarantee that if someone tells a vehicle technician to change 4 wheels instead of 4 tires, when the bill is received the customer will learn the value of precise word meaning.
     
  17. mnrivrat

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    OK , so new rule : If a member misspells, uses the wrong term, or poor grammar, they get 1 demerit. After 5 demerits, we all converge on their dwelling with our pitchforks, and drag them outside to a awaiting stake where they are tied securely too , while brush is piled around them and put to fire.
    After the member stops screaming and turns a toasty dark color, we can all go home knowing we fixed one of the worlds greatest problems. ---- OR ! we could just chill out and recognize there may be folks here that are not as astute at firearm terminology, English spelling , or perfect English grammar, and simply enjoy the knowledge and general input these good folks bring. That usually doesn't take rocket scientists to figure out if you bother to read the full postings. (just my opinion - I think that pretty much puts me in agreement to the OP))
     
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    It’s Garand.
     
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    It does matter but I don't feel the need to correct others.
    Our society is getting dumber and lazier by the day, as others have said- words have specific meanings. There's no reason to intentionally use the incorrect term if you know the difference , folks that don't know the difference are just using the term the have heard. We should all strive to be our best, speak as well as we can and communicate as clearly as we're capable of.

    Just an opinion of course
     
  20. Jim Watson

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    If youse guys will quit nitpicking about "magazine" vs "clip", I will quit complaining about misuse of "bore diameter."
     
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    My primary weapon in the Corps was an M1. We know it is fed from clips. The M1 was replaced a few years later with an M14 and we all know it is fed from magazines. However, after several years of using the term clip by rote adjusting to magazine was more problematic than one might think. Now if a a bunch of bad-ass Marines who sometimes sleep with their rifles can screw up I have to show mercy to the uninitiated noobie.
     
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    yes, everything except one point. its not slang, clip fits the meaning. Regardless of that, your right on principle alone. the gun community has been dominated by liars ("I shoot 2 MOA at 200 yards... but I could do better.... theses eyes are 76 years old..." -yea, I'm calling you a liar), other liars (" I was a Navy SEAL, Marine Recon, Army ranger, AND I punched my drill instructor in the face, now I'm SWAT, and the only 400lb guy in history.... -yea, I'm calling you a liar), and jackasses ... No joke here, your talking about them. Is it really worth alienating a lifelong voter because he uses a word other than the one you like? It may be different if it was a completely out of place word, but "a device, typically flexible or worked by a spring, for holding an object or objects together or in place." is absolutely reasonable. thats the first definition that comes up on the internet for "clip definition". Also, while we are here, if the patent says "silencer" F--- Off. Thats what it is. Not everything needs to be a cliche, expression, or standard. You can in fact kill two birds with one scone, act in a foul swoop, and even not care less.

    Its time to gain followers. People need to stop lying, embrace diversity, bury their prejudice, and stop being pedantic. Cultures die because members become unwilling to adapt. People need to get over it. Thank you OP for getting over it (well, you were probably never "on in", but thanks anyway)
     
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  23. mjsdwash

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    your right there... I recently made 'bullets'... "no, you made cartridges!....-No, I fired up my smelter and made bullets"
     
  24. Dale Alan

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    Or do you look Past it ? :)
     
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    Not to mention thinner skinned.

    Look, if correcting other firearm enthusiasts on their vocabulary miscues is necessary, so be it.
    If someone asks me, I'll do my best to steer them toward appropriate terminology. I don't have the time or energy to devote to correcting "clip" misused any more than I do "rims" when someone's talking about wheels, or countless other misuses of automotive terminology.

    Want a worthwhile cause? Start correcting the anti-gun people for all their mis-uses and misconceptions.
     
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