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Canada In Trouble!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by S VOLK, Jan 2, 2003.

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  1. S VOLK

    S VOLK Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    January 1st Canadians are required to regsiter guns. Many veterans, farmers, and innocent people are refusing to do this. Canadian politicians are lying to the Canadian gun-owning public, stating they are paying $1 billion dollars for the Canadian gun registry! The irony is that the first 2 Canadian units ready to go to war with Iraq aren't even issued flak jackets and ammo vests... yet corrupt Canadian govt. officials say they are spending $1 billion on the Canadian gun registry! Please support, any way you can, your Canadian gun-owning neighbors... or Americans will be next!
  2. PATH

    PATH Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Rockland, New York
    Hopefully a great deal of civil disobedience will take place!
  3. QuickDraw

    QuickDraw Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Great State of California (Bay Area)
    I'm watching this closely as I'm sure our gov. is.
    It will be interesting to see who blinks first,gun owners or gov.
    This could provide some momentum for pro 2A in this country.
    Peaceful civil disobedience on a large scale!

  4. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Likewise, Quickdraw, likewise.

    I'm looking forward to our Canadian neighbors restoring that great country to a semblance of liberty from idiotic government blundering.

    The U.S. has a large number of citizens who are hoping for just the opposite. We call them felons, and they're getting nervous practicing their trade in the shall issue states. A whole country of unarmed citizens must surely be appealing to them....
  5. s64woody

    s64woody Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    western washington
    hope for the best, expecting the worst

    Ben Franklin said it first and best: we will either hang together (on this issue:)), or hang separately
  6. twoblink

    twoblink Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Houston, Texas
    What, did Canada steal the PRK's playbook? :barf:
  7. GhostShooter

    GhostShooter Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    What happens in Canada regarding firearms this year is going to be an important study of what could happen here if the same registration program were put into effect.

  8. TallPine

    TallPine Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    With all do respect to the many brave Canadians, I think there are a lot more stubborn and onery people down here to put up a fight.

    I wish them the best, and from my point of view they are sure welcome to find asylum in Montana in the worst case. Enough illegal immigration on the southern border that a little bit on the northern border shouldn't bother much ... ;)
  9. ball3006

    ball3006 Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    The Canadians should have....

    booted the British out 200 years ago like we did and who the heck let the French in. Are there any Canadians left in the eastern part of the country? Must be all of those draft dodging Americans from the 60's that are influencing Canada.....chris3
  10. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    Would Canada mind if we sent a few scouts (both boys & girls) up to "occupy" them and raise the American Flag? :)
  11. Schuey2002

    Schuey2002 Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    The Oregon Coast..

    Gary's "scouts" could sell cookies to help raise funds for the canadian troops as well..:)
  12. AZTOY

    AZTOY Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Fort Wainwright Alaska
    Gun-owning protesters arrested

    By LOUISE ELLIOTTOTTAWA (CP) - Two gun-owning protesters were arrested and several others tried to draw police charges after flouting Canada's firearms law at a New Year's Day protest on Parliament Hill.

    Jim Turnbull, head of the Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association, was arrested and charged for carrying a receiver - an unloaded part of a handgun - after burning a copy of the Firearms Act. Ed Hudson, another member of the association, was later charged with the same offence.

    To chants of "shame" from some 150 protesters huddled near the Centennial Flame, RCMP escorted Turnbull, 70, to a police car, searched him and drove him away.

    Turnbull, a retired auctioneer from Sundre, Alta., said earlier in the day he hoped he would be arrested.

    "It's time that we stood up and said, 'we're not afraid,"' he told reporters. "They've made a paper criminal of me, and that's bad, when Canadian citizens are made criminals just because of a piece of paper."

    An RCMP spokesman said Turnbull was arrested for carrying a weapon at a public gathering, not for possessing an unregistered gun under the act. He was later charged under the Criminal Code.

    Under the act, all Canadians were required to register or declare their intent to register their guns by midnight Tuesday.

    Protesters called the arrest a minor victory.

    "To me it means that the RCMP realize quite clearly that the Firearms Act is a paper tiger that signifies nothing," said Hudson, who brought the receiver onto Parliament Hill.

    Hudson was later charged at an Ottawa police station; both he and Turnbull are to appear in Ottawa court Jan. 30.

    "They're not arresting me for not having a licence, for not having a registration - so they're not charging me with a Firearms Act violation," he said afterward. "They know that the Firearms Act does not make us safer."

    Wednesday's protest also drew criticism from gun-control advocates.

    Derry McKeever, a retired member of the Canadian Auto Workers union, waded into the crowd saying he favoured registration as a way of making Canada safer.

    "How many bodies do you want? Do you want us to stack the bodies up in the street?" he shouted at a group of protesters who surrounded him.

    McKeever, of Chatham, Ont., said gun control laws are the only way to stop tragedies like the 1989 massacre of 11 women at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal.

    David Austin of the Canadian Firearms Centre said Wednesday's demonstration was conducted by a few well-known lobbyists, and argued the number of protesters has dwindled over the years.

    "This was just a mere skeleton of what was there at other rallies," he said. "The same familiar faces (have been coming out)."

    Attempts to disrupt the registration system by overloading it with emails or faxed application forms have been conducted by a select few, and the majority of gun owners are law-abiding, he added.

    Controversy over the registry escalated last month after a report from the auditor general said the Liberal government had kept the public in the dark about a projected $1-billion cost overrun.

    In defiance of the law, Turnbull and a handful of gun enthusiasts and members of his association burned gun registration certificates acquired before 1995, along with a copy of Bill C-68, the Firearms Act, vowing never to register their weapons.

    They placed a copy of their organization's declaration in front of the centre doors to the Parliament buildings. It states, among other things, their intention not to register and calls the law a "colossal waste" and a violation of their Charter rights and freedoms.

    In Edmonton, police made no arrests at a similar protest in the provincial capital.

    Resplendent in a fringed, moosehide jacket and two rows of military service medals, Oscar Lacombe carried a plastic-wrapped, single-shot, unregistered .22-calibre rifle onto the grounds of the Alberta legislature.

    "I've been a private person, did my job, kept my peace, paid my taxes and respected the law," said Lacombe, the legislature's former sergeant-at-arms.

    "Here I am, Ottawa. I'm the criminal you've spent a billion dollars to catch. So if you believe in your law, come and arrest me - please!"

    About 40 supporters applauded, some handing out bumper stickers linking the gun registry, the Kyoto accord and the Canadian Wheat Board under the slogan, Defend the West.

    Edmonton police later stopped Lacombe's vehicle on the outskirts of the city and seized the rifle, said Sgt. Patrick Tracy.

    The gun was taken without incident and will now become evidence in a criminal investigation against Lacombe, Tracy said.

    Austin said a surge in applications in the month of December drove the total number of online applicants to about 400,000 from 200,000 at the start of December, he said.

    To date, the centre estimates about three-quarters of all guns have been registered, or about 5.8 million of almost eight million firearms.

    As of Wednesday, Canadians with unregistered long guns, rifles and shotguns could be charged under the act without getting a criminal record, he said.

    Paul Marsh, an RCMP spokesman, said Wednesday he would not speculate on whether Turnbull would have been arrested had his guns been registered.

  13. gun-fucious

    gun-fucious Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    centre of the PA


    Fellow Albertans:

    My name is Oscar Lacombe. I’m 74 years old, I live in Mundare, and I’m the great-great-grandnephew of the famous missionary Albert Lacombe.

    I am also a great-grandson of Laurence Garneau, a pioneer who gave his name to Edmonton’s Garneau district.

    I wear this beret on behalf of the Métis Veterans’ Society of Alberta, and these medals as a veteran of the Korean war.

    I also served in Cyprus, as well as Egypt and Palestine.

    For 12 years I was the personal bodyguard of our Former Premier, Peter Lougheed.

    And for 13 years I was the Sergeant-at-Arms in that building over yonder, the Alberta Legislature. It was my duty to protect the men and women we elect to make our laws.

    I performed these duties conscientiously, and have numerous awards and citations of which I am very proud.

    I have devoted my whole life to upholding law and order and defending freedom.

    But today a new law takes effect which I cannot support. In conscience I can’t even obey it.

    In fact I have come here to defy it, openly and in public, with advance notice to the media and the Edmonton City Police.

    Here before me is a simple .22 rifle—unloaded and wrapped in plastic. It cannot at present be fired, because I didn’t bring it here to scare anyone.

    I brought it here to make a point.

    I grew up with a rifle like this one. I used it to shoot rabbits to help feed my family when I was a little kid. It was the depression and we were poor. I shot my first deer when I was nine years old. We had to eat.

    Today we have a criminal law, passed by the federal liberal government. It’s a new law that says I have to register this old gun of mine. And because I haven’t attempted to do so, effective today I am a criminal. Under section 92 of the criminal code I can now be put in prison for up to five years.

    Let me be clear. I believe in law and order. If registering this old gun of mine would make Canada a safer and better country, I would have registered immediately and without complaint.

    But I know it won’t. It won’t make Canada one bit safer. And I know many, many police officers who think the same. I know senior officers who have refused to register their personal firearms. And I have to ask, why is this ???

    Take note – on this January first, 2003, hundreds of thousands – maybe millions – of ordinary Canadians have been turned into criminals by their own government. Why? For refusing to submit to a bad law.

    The government says it wants to make the country safer and more secure. But if it really wanted that, it would start punishing the guilty, not the innocent.

    The government said the registry would be simple and cheap. But now they admit it has cost one billion dollars already.

    It will need another billion before it’s finished – and even then there will be millions of firearms belonging to citizens who won’t register, regardless of the penalty.

    Our own Alberta government has refused to enforce this law. That means the federal government will have to hire more prosecutors and special police to enforce it themselves.

    And after wasting all this money and effort, and after squandering so much goodwill among Canadian citizens, how many crimes will have been stopped? None. Not one.

    Ask yourself – how many hip replacements or cancer treatments would that billion dollars have paid for? Is this country so well off it can blow a billion dollars on nothing?

    This law was not passed for reasons of security. It was passed for reasons of politics. The liberals wanted to be seen to be doing something about crime.

    The waste of billions of dollars didn’t matter to the government. Only appearances mattered.

    The fact that it would not actually prevent crime didn’t matter to the government.

    The fact that it would needlessly intrude on the property rights of millions of Canadians didn’t matter to the government.

    None of these things mattered to the government in Ottawa. They wanted to be seen as cracking down on crime, even though they were only cracking down on duck hunters.

    It’s all politics. The truth is, the gun registry only makes sense if the ultimate aim is gradual confiscation of all firearms. All the arguments in favour of the registry point in this direction, and otherwise make no sense.

    Fellow Albertans, I have always been a private person. I did my job, kept my peace, paid my taxes and respected the law. I do not belong to any gun group, I speak only for myself, Oscar Lacombe.

    But we have reached the point where I hardly recognize my own country – the country so many have fought and bled for.

    It’s as though our government is trying to take away all the rights we once valued, and giving us new rights we don’t want.

    There was a time when police needed a warrant to search a person’s home. This gun law requires no warrant.

    There was a time when the law did not force anyone to cooperate with the police. This law requires the person being searched to assist the police in his own prosecution.

    There was a time when the government had to pay for legal property it chose to confiscate. Under this law it may confiscate property without compensation.

    It’s as though the government in Ottawa doesn’t trust us any more, and wants to walk all over us with spiked boots.

    It’s as though the government in Ottawa no longer understands the traditions, values and principles that made this country of ours strong and free.

    It’s as though the government thinks our country belongs to them and not to us.

    Well, I will not submit. I’ve had enough. So here I am, Ottawa – Alberta Sergeant-at-Arms Oscar Lacombe with his dangerous unregistered .22 rifle. I’m the “criminal†you spent a billion dollars to catch. So if you believe in your law, come and arrest me.

    And if you won’t enforce your law, tell the people of Canada why not, and repeal it.

    Freedom never comes cheap. There are graves and monuments all over the world, from Europe to Asia, honouring Canadians who stood up and fought against tyranny. Many came home maimed in mind and body. Many others never came home at all.

    Now the time has come to fight for freedom in our own country. I won’t register this gun, and I won’t hide. I will not submit to this unjust and dangerous law. Free I was born, and even if you put me in jail, free I will remain.
  14. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    Lacombe sounds like another Chief Logan.
  15. Oatka

    Oatka Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Become a member ($20) or donate ($10) to Law-abiding Unregistered Firearms Association (LUFA) in Canada.


    According to their figures (left hand side of page), their site had 450,000 hits in December. Something is up. :D

    It is bread cast upon the waters, IMO.
  16. sasnofear

    sasnofear member

    Dec 30, 2002
    oh plz, u think you have it bad in n.ireland it takes 30days+ for a licence to come through. waiting 4 a new licence here 4 four months now!

    i mean we need a firearms licence...FOR AN AIR RIFLE!!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
  17. S VOLK

    S VOLK Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Canada: Anthrax & Gunowners!

    Anthrax & Gunowners?
    Hello from Canada! Today's Edmonton Sun reported on its Front Page Headline and on Page 4:


    "Anthrax was confirmed last night in an initial test of a suspicious package addressed to Canada's firearms registry at a major Canada Post facility in the city, say authorities."

    This major newspaper was sold throughout Edmonton and surrounding area. Meanwhile, on the evening news just a few moments ago, it was revealed the initial testing showed the white powder initially-tested showed it was not anthrax. Clearly, the spin doctors are associating gunowners with terrorists! What next?

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