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Canadian gun changes?
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P90Puma
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There is a bill in legislation that removes the requirement to register some forms of "long" firearms.
It doesn't remove the previous licensing requirements before you can own a firearm.
Canadians can, and do, enjoy firearms ownership currently and in the past.
It doesn't remove the previous licensing requirements before you can own a firearm.
Canadians can, and do, enjoy firearms ownership currently and in the past.
stickhauler
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That's funny, I don't care who you are!
LubeckTech
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Can Canadians even own handguns?
stickhauler
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I believe they can own them, there isn't concealed carry, and handgun ownership is seriously regulated. The common belief of some in the government in Canada is that handguns need to be banned, but most common everyday folks up there still feel they have a right to own and use guns if they choose.
The changes they're discussing (there is a measure going through right now) is to remove some of the restrictions on long guns, taking away the registration of them as the program was ignored by many gun owners when it passed. That started the joke about why Canadians watered their lawn with WD-40. To keep their guns from rusting.
I drive up there most every week, and the folks I talk to are truckers like me, and most of them ignored the laws passed restricting guns, and will tell you they did so once they get to know you. That country is an entirely different world as far as gun rights are concerned, hell, it's a different world as far as most any freedom is concerned.
The changes they're discussing (there is a measure going through right now) is to remove some of the restrictions on long guns, taking away the registration of them as the program was ignored by many gun owners when it passed. That started the joke about why Canadians watered their lawn with WD-40. To keep their guns from rusting.
I drive up there most every week, and the folks I talk to are truckers like me, and most of them ignored the laws passed restricting guns, and will tell you they did so once they get to know you. That country is an entirely different world as far as gun rights are concerned, hell, it's a different world as far as most any freedom is concerned.
Prince Yamato
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Canada classes firearms in 3 categories: Unrestricted, Restricted, and Prohibited.
Unrestricted guns are you standard hunting rifles and shotguns. Basically, if you can buy it at Walmart in the US, it's probably unrestricted in Canada.
Restricted Firearms are handguns with barrels over 4.25", semi-auto rifles that aren't banned by name, AR-15s, and what we would call SBRs and SBSs.
Prohibited Firearms are weapons that are banned by name or class (machineguns, pistols with barrels under 4.25").
In addition, all semi-auto rifle mags are restricted to 5 rounds (the M1 Garand being the exception) and all pistol mags are restricted to 10 rounds.
Two own any category of these weapons you need a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License). You can quite easily get the PAL for Unrestricted and Restricted Weapons. In order to posses Prohibited Class Weapons, you must have possessed such weapons before they were banned. You were therefore grandfathered in.
CCW in Canada is referred to as ATC or "Authorization to Carry". It is basically restricted to the elite. There are probably 50 ATC permits in the whole country.
Unrestricted guns are you standard hunting rifles and shotguns. Basically, if you can buy it at Walmart in the US, it's probably unrestricted in Canada.
Restricted Firearms are handguns with barrels over 4.25", semi-auto rifles that aren't banned by name, AR-15s, and what we would call SBRs and SBSs.
Prohibited Firearms are weapons that are banned by name or class (machineguns, pistols with barrels under 4.25").
In addition, all semi-auto rifle mags are restricted to 5 rounds (the M1 Garand being the exception) and all pistol mags are restricted to 10 rounds.
Two own any category of these weapons you need a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License). You can quite easily get the PAL for Unrestricted and Restricted Weapons. In order to posses Prohibited Class Weapons, you must have possessed such weapons before they were banned. You were therefore grandfathered in.
CCW in Canada is referred to as ATC or "Authorization to Carry". It is basically restricted to the elite. There are probably 50 ATC permits in the whole country.
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And that's why I feel blessed to only have to visit there, and not live there.
KJS
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Can Canadians even own handguns?
I'm guessing it's possible. Look at a 2009 or 2010 Ruger catalog. Ruger modestly changed their 4" barrels to 4.2" on .357s with a notation that they are now acceptable for handgun hunting in Canada.
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I got stopped at the border at Buffalo one day, got inspected, and the inspector noticed my computer. He asked what it "had on it." I told him, mapping software. His next question was: "Do you have any porn on there?" "Nope!" "Any kiddie porn?" "Nope!" "Any Animal-Human Porn?" My response was "What kind of stuff you fellows into?" The answer was that they had to inspect my computer.
A couple of hours later the customs agent came out and walked with me outside, where he handed me my computer and said:" You're kind of a boring guy." I took it as a compliment and told him so, considering the questions he asked me.
He then informed me he pulled up the web browser and found I had gun sites bookmarked, which I admitted to. He then went into questioning about whether I owned guns, which I admitted, and did I ever carry a gun, which I also admitted. "Well, do you have a gun right now?" "No, did you find one?" "No." "I guess I must have left it home."
Bottom line was he was appalled that a regular citizen would ever be issued a permit to carry a handgun in America. I smiled and waved bye-bye!
A couple of hours later the customs agent came out and walked with me outside, where he handed me my computer and said:" You're kind of a boring guy." I took it as a compliment and told him so, considering the questions he asked me.
He then informed me he pulled up the web browser and found I had gun sites bookmarked, which I admitted to. He then went into questioning about whether I owned guns, which I admitted, and did I ever carry a gun, which I also admitted. "Well, do you have a gun right now?" "No, did you find one?" "No." "I guess I must have left it home."
Bottom line was he was appalled that a regular citizen would ever be issued a permit to carry a handgun in America. I smiled and waved bye-bye!
I have been to Canada, during going in and coming out, I have always been treated with the utmost consideration, with one exception, the first time, I had no clue until I saw the warnings, when asked if I had anything to declare I said yes, I have a gun, I was then told to take it in and declare it, I did, you know the sound when a pistol is placed on a solid counter top, the custom inspector first word was 'TEXAS?' I said "yes, do you want it loaded or unloaded? the answer was "Unloaded" I unloaded it then then they informed me I could keep the bullets and I had X number of days to get back to claim it and they did not forward, ship, hold or mail firearms, they made it clear I had to come back through the same port of entry. There was a question as to why someone would choose to such carry a large pistol, another inspector answered the question rhetorically, "TEXAN"!
Leaving: If I had JUST picked up the pistol on the way out everything would have gone without a problem, I signed for the pistol, they returned it and I started to leave, then I ask a question, I left there 4 hours later with an understanding, when I came in they afforded me all the respect and consideration due someone that was asked to 'declare' when asked/instructed, when leaving I should have afforded them the same respect and consideration they had earned.
Coming back to the states, I felt like they thought I was going something illegal, they just could not figure out what.
F. Guffey
Leaving: If I had JUST picked up the pistol on the way out everything would have gone without a problem, I signed for the pistol, they returned it and I started to leave, then I ask a question, I left there 4 hours later with an understanding, when I came in they afforded me all the respect and consideration due someone that was asked to 'declare' when asked/instructed, when leaving I should have afforded them the same respect and consideration they had earned.
Coming back to the states, I felt like they thought I was going something illegal, they just could not figure out what.
F. Guffey
Prince Yamato
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As a rule of thumb, you never make a snarky comment to a Canadian Border Patrol agent. They, by tradition, will make your entrance or exit into or out of Canada a nightmare if you do.
Radagast
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www.canadiangunnutz.com is the main Canadian firearms board. Lot's of in-depth discussion on the legislation and related activism. You need to register to read the forums.
MD_Willington
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You can own pistols in Canada.
No you cannot carry them or you have to be a high roller connected to someone in .GOV, a snitch or etcetera to have an ATC - Authorization To Carry
Also with all the cool new toys - Not on the list - you can own them, no sporting clause, shorties are okay if you have the right piece of paper.
My buddy just got himself a new Sig rifle, caveat - magazines a pin'd short to hold only 5 or so rounds IIRC.
No you cannot carry them or you have to be a high roller connected to someone in .GOV, a snitch or etcetera to have an ATC - Authorization To Carry
Also with all the cool new toys - Not on the list - you can own them, no sporting clause, shorties are okay if you have the right piece of paper.
My buddy just got himself a new Sig rifle, caveat - magazines a pin'd short to hold only 5 or so rounds IIRC.
P90Puma
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There is no handgun hunting in Canada.I'm guessing it's possible. Look at a 2009 or 2010 Ruger catalog. Ruger modestly changed their 4" barrels to 4.2" on .357s with a notation that they are now acceptable for handgun hunting in Canada.
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