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Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Deltaboy1984, May 10, 2009.

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  1. Deltaboy1984

    Deltaboy1984 Member

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    Any of you use a cane ? I have one made with an 1 1/2 Hickory stick 28 inchs long with a brass head from a old Mule Harness. I ordered a cold steel manmade Blackthorn stick for dresswear. I was hurt in a car wreak 3 years ago and when I get tired I still limp a bit. So I keep on near by if I am going very far from the house along with my MAK in 9X18 cause I don't run anymore.
     
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  2. JShirley

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    I've been carrying a 1x48" phenolic rod when I walk.
     
  3. hso

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    Deltaboy,

    You'll find several of us are fond of canes.
     
  4. bikerdoc

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    Deltaboy,
    Cane making has become a nice hobby since my injury, I use oak, maple, poplar, crepe myrtle, even fig wood once. got some hickory, ash and ironwood drying.
    Ties in nicely with my passion for knives and sharpening.
    For heads I have used hand fitted T.s, balls, and natural curves and angles.
    Sometimes a lanyard or paracord wrap are added.
    A little sanding, then some stain and poly = finished product.
    Thanks for the idea to use harness brass!
    Search canes for some pics by me others. There are also some awesome web sites listed by others to buy good canes very inexpesively.
    Have fun with it.
    Doc
     
  5. glistam

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    Ah, the last universally legal weapon left (eh, almost). Plane, courthouse, federal building, it can go anywhere. And you don't even need to be disabled.

    "Sir, do you have a medical need for that?"
    "I might, but it's none you're ----ing business."

    Here's what I carry:
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    Nothing hidden here: The head is what you see, solid brass. While it's marketed as a "mace" cane, most people I talk to think it's a recycled clock gear or a "star."
     
  6. geologist

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    I have one of these Canemasters made of hickory heart. I have to learn how to fake a limp now.

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  7. bikerdoc

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    one of many favorites

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  8. Todd A

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    This is what I'll be picking up for myself shortly. After I shop around some more.

    Work and father time is tearing up my (long ago )repaired knee pretty quickly these days. I can't make it through a shift without my support brace,and walks with my better half have become bothersome.

    http://www.fashionablecanes.com/5095.html
     
  9. AirForceShooter

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    I keep one in the car.
    Some days I just hurt.

    It cost me $2 at the flea market

    AFS
     
  10. Carl Levitian

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    I love canes/walking sticks.

    Good self defense in an innocent looking package. Man's oldest weapon.

    I have a small but nice collection of Irish blackthorns, self made hornbeams, and some oak and maple sticks.

    I like to hunt around the woods with a small garden trowl and hatchet, and dig arund the root of hornbeams. When I find one with a rrot knob going off in a 45 to 90 degree angle, I'll dig it up and hack it free. After abut 8 months to a year down the basement, I'll shape and sand the root knob to a nice rustic handle. Generaly I leave the bark on, like the Brits and Irish do with the blackthorn. Hornbeam has a very thick hard bark, and I think it's better left on. I rub it down with 0000 steel wool, and give it a nice stain and seal it with Helmsman Spar Urathane, satin no glare finish. Put a rubber chair/table end on it from Lowes, and it's good to go.

    I like that I can take any of my sticks anywhere I go, as mentiond by glistam.

    I like to keep it simple and rustic, with no metal hardware on the stick. I never drill a hole in it for a lanyard, just take some nylon cord and wrap tightly and Make a loop to hang it from the wrist as I'm paying for something at a registar.
     
  11. Fred Fuller

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    a brass head from a old Mule Harness

    AKA a hame knob. A certain number of folks like them for walking stick tops. Several places that sell stuff for making hiking staffs, walking sticks and canes offer them for sale.

    lpl
     
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    I call them "Healing Limbs" walking sticks. I began to make them years ago as a form of physical therapy. These are 100% handcrafted, using only a Leatherman tool, then burned with a burning tool. The finish is hand-rubbed olive oil.

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    SOme neat looking canes ;)
     
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    I found the mule harness head in a junk store for $5.00 back about 17 years ago. Since I didnot have a CCL I got a broken hickory hoe handle that belonged to my Greatgrand Father , I cut it to length stained it Black Walnut and finshed it with 8 hand sanded coats of Sterling Spar Marine Varnish. I shaped the end and attached the head with #12 3/4 inch Brass Screws. I have beat back 2 large dogs over the years. Since I built it. Like most of you I can carry it into the all sorts of Post 9/11 secured areas with no questions asked.

    I will have to take a pic and post it.


    BikerDoc The Mule and Plow harness's have a nice gentle curve for the wood to fit into. They are nice and heavy mine is little over a 1/2 pound.
     
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    Cane Master cane

    I just picked up a brand new Cane Master cane on ebay for $40. It's very stout and heavy (oak), has grips milled into the top near the crook, and has a beveled piece at the end of the crook. A formidable weapon and I'm beginning to learn how to use it. Going to look into a blackthorn as well; I used to have one and eventually wore it out. A cane's a wonderful EDC weapon that, as everyone seems to have mentioned, is not outlawed anywhere.

    Oh hi, by the way. My name's Julian and I'm a noobie. Vietnam vet, recently retired, and a lover of cold steel, well crafted handguns, and impact weapons. Glad to be here!
     
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    I have recently gone thru a bout of tendonitis in my Achilles tendon and have been using a nice oak round top cane that I refinished with a nice light brown stain and a hand rubbed varnish finish, definitely a nice club if needed.
     
  17. Phydeaux642

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    I'm becoming very interested in canes as a defensive tool. Can anyone give me some things that I need to look for in a cane? Some of the canes at Cane Masters and the Cold Steel walking sticks look interesting.
     
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    I have a Cold Steel City stick (pistol grip). Very nice.
     
  19. Carl Levitian

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    [I'm becoming very interested in canes as a defensive tool. Can anyone give me some things that I need to look for in a cane? Some of the canes at Cane Masters and the Cold Steel walking sticks look interesting.]
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    Stay as far away from canes that look too outside the norm as possable. Meaning skull heads, mace like handles, too much metal hardware. I don't like any metal on my sticks at all, so they go right through metal detectors at the court house just fine. Stay away from gimicky appearences.

    You want low profile appearence. It's surprising that even carried by a young man, a normal looking cane will hardly be noticed. A plain crook top, or even a rustic walking stick like a blackthorn won't attract near the attention of a Cold Steel cane. It's a matter of perspective. Plus, the LEO's and TSA people also get the catalogues, and they know what cold Steel products are. My son is a police officer, and they get the print outs on the newest trendy gizmos like Jaw jackkers, Comtect stingers, Benchmade weapon pens, all the plastic "letter opener" knives, and Cold steel covert weapons from the special projects catalogues. Security personel may be obnoxious, but they're not stupid. Okay, some aren't.

    Be carefull of the canes with alot of wood carving/shaping like some of the canemasters products. Making any grooves or rings carved into the wood for the increase of "grip" can also make it easier to break. A ring in the wood, even shallow, can act as a stress line under impact. If you don't believe that, go out in the woods with a small pocket knife, and cut a groove around the base of a small sappling about an inch or inch and a half in diameter. Then reach up and bend the sappling. 9 times out of 10, it will break off right where the groove is cut in the wood. This is how our old scoutmaster tought us to cut limbs and small sapplings with a pocket knife for making survival shelters. His reasoning was that if we have pants on, we'll always have our pocket knife on us.

    A wood cane/stick should have no cuts, grooves, figures, spirals, or anything else in the surface of the wood. Rustic sticks, like blackthorn, hornbeam, hawthorn, crabapple, don't even have the bark removed, because of the nature of the bark being thick, and being a protective layer for the wood. In Ireland, where the blackthorn has been a personal protection tool for hundreds of years, it was tradition for the stick to be cut and burried with the bark on, in a peat bog for aging. The peat turned the blackthorn a very dark color, and thats why even today, blackthorns are stained/painted black. it naturally has a dark brown color to it.

    Do not get a stick that somebody has drilled a hole through the body of the stick up near the handle to put a leather thong through for a nice little loop. By doing so, they've just drilled a nice weak spot in the wood. If you want a loop, just braid a piece of thong/paracord/marline or whatever around the shaft. Don't go driiling holes in the wood right through the core of the shaft.

    Rather than a Canemasters, hunt down a country feed store, and see if you can find a stock cane. A stock cane will look like a plain cane, but just a bit more "hefty". Low profile. Or there may be a medical supply store near you that will have a plain hickory, ash, or maple crook top cane. Either of those woods are good.

    Carrying your cane around, don't be self concious about it. Too many young guys feel they can't get away with it and have to fake a limp. Don't do that. Just act natural. If you don't make a big deal out of it, nobody else will. If somebody is rude enough to inquire why you're carrying it, just tell them you have an old rugby/football/mountain biking/whatever injury that give you a bit of trouble now and then. After a while, even your friends will not even think about it, it will become part of you and your persona. If you really feel a bit self consious over it, start carrying it on a Monday morning, and just tell people you got a bit banged up over the weekend, and let it go at that. After a while they won't even notice it anymore.

    A cane is a wonderful thing. It can go anywhere with you, past security that will stop a knife let alone a firearm. I've walked right onto airplanes with mine, right into the court house, and schools. Nobody can ever stop you, and if they try, just tell them they are about to get sued under the Americans With Disability acts. In these days of political correctness, even the most gestapo like security personel will back off from that. But the kind of cane will make a diference in that instance. A regular looking cane will be no trouble, but a cane that looks like it was designed as a weapon will be questioned. it's all about apearence and perspective.

    You have to give some thought to the aftermath of the "if you have to use it' senerio. The bad thing about Canemasters, Cold steel canes, is that they are marketed as a weapon. Even if you beat the snot out of some lowlife who attacks you, and you walk out of the police station after giving your statement with the cops patting you on the back and telling you what a great job you did, your not out of the woods. All that has to happen is the family of low life gets a lawyer from the ACLU, and looks into sueing you, and he finds out you used a Cold Steel mace cane, or a Canemasters whatever, and he will try to paint you as a wanabe on the prowl. In this age of the internet, its very easy to find things out. This is why I dislike dedicated weapons like Kubotons, and martial arts stuff. Nobody ever got sued for using a AA minimag, or a standard medical supply cane. It's all about perspective, like it or not.
     
  20. Phydeaux642

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    Thanks Carl for the info. Any leads on a good online seller for a blackthorn walking stick?
     
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    [Thanks Carl for the info. Any leads on a good online seller for a blackthorn walking stick?]

    I've heard that LollySmith.com has some rustic ones from the old country. Look for at least 1 inch diameter, and a handle that has a decent bit to hand onto. I have found that the 45 to 90 degree root handles are the most comfortable when walking. LollySmith changes their stock often, and sometimes you have to check back time to time. Or, if you live near a large city, there may be an irish shop around. Boston, New York, Chicago.

    What I've done is make some of my own out of hornbeam, a very tough wood. Look around by creek bottoms for some, and find one that is about the right diameter. Take a small garden towel and dig around the base to see if it has a root knob that goes off at an angle for a nice handle. If so, dig it up and use a cheap box store hatchet to cut it loose from the rest of the roots. Cheap hatchet because you'll be chopping in the ground and it will get nicked all to h--l.

    Let it sit down the basement for 6 to 8 months, then use 220, 500, and 0000 steel wool to smooth the root knob. It will look like pipe briar when done. Don't take off the bark! Just polish it with 0000 steel wool, and use the minwax stain of your choice. Seal with Helmsman Spar Urathane, and you'll have a great rugged stick that you made yourself.

    Walking sticks are great. It's go anywhere defense.
     
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    Hey Carl. Hadn't read your location until just now, I've probably walked right by you at the Home Depot.
    I hear you on the City Stick part. While I pondered them for a moment, they look kind of ridiculous unless you're wearing a coat and tails.
    My mace-head is actually a new acquisition and it's carried mainly when walking the dog or in tougher areas, but never in high security environments. My day-to-day cane I am not comfortable posting a pic of. It's Chinese waxwood with a leather wrapped grip that I made myself back in 2000. I have to say I love hornbeam, but the waxwood deserves credit. Its light and amazingly tough due to it's moderate flexibility even when dried.
     
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    I don't know the legality of such a device, but a custom gun maker some years ago made a CO2 powered cane that shot a heavy lead slug at a relitively low (yet still lethal) (550 fps) velocity. He also made one that actually fired a CO2 cartridge! The .72 caliber barrel held a co2 cartridge. Twisting the head of the cane punctured the end of the cartridge, firing it out the barrel like a rocket.
     
  24. Phydeaux642

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    I picked up an inexpensive cane last night on flea-bay. Made out of hawthorn and 1 1/4" at the top tapering to 1" at the bottom. $16.00 plus shipping. I may move up to blackthorn in the future when I find one that I like.

    I could have used it last night. I sat down for about an hour and a half and could barely walk when I got up. Gettin' old isn't for the faint of heart.
     

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    I've been carrying a Canemaster Instructor's Cane on flights for years. That includes international flights. I've never had any state's security folks make any comment other to ask if I needed it to get through the arch.

    A simple stock cane cut to the proper length and with the hook very slightly shaped won't get a second glance. The gimmicky canes sold to guys more interested in trinkets than training will get you cavity searched.
     
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