luisespinal
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By mistake I repeatedly wrote ".40-70" when I meant to say ".45-70". I corrected my post to reflect that.
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Hello,
Mods, please let me know if I created this thread in the right forum.
I was wondering if there was a a strong and modern .45-70 rifle, not single shot, capable of handling the full extend of the cartridge with modern loads. I was thinking maybe the Henry .45-70.
But then, I learned of options to re-barrel Mosins to that caliber (by replacing the original barrel with a brand new one just for that caliber). And I also saw a Siamese Mauser modded for that cartridge on gunbroker (don't know if that had a new barrel or a rebarreling of the original).
And that got me thinking, ignoring the cost for a moment, if such a modified mosin would fit the bill.
I really do not know much about the Siamese Mauser option when it comes to pressure capabilities.
For the Mosin, some places state it is capable of handling 46.6K to 47K psi. Others say 56k psi. And wikipedia states the 7.62x52mmR tolerates a maximum pressure of 52K psi. So far, it has been unclear to me how hard one can push a load on the mosin.
OTH, when consulting the Hodgdon cartridge loads, the recommended max loads for the ruskie round are just below the max loads for the .40-70 on what the chart calls a "modern" rifle (not lever or trapdoor, as per the chart.) Those max loads are around 47K PSI for loading .40-70 and around 46K PSI for loading the good old ruskie.
The chart would seem to suggest that a mosin in its original configuration is strong enough to handle pressures just a bit below the max pressures on a modern .45-70 load. That would be just fine with me.
Gun collective, what say you?
I really like my current 90/31, and I'm in the process of finding and acquiring more collectible-grade milsurps, mosins in particular.
As a result, I'm leaning 2/3's in favor of finding an already beat up Mosin or a Bubba, and have it modded for the .45-70 just for poops and giggles, even if it is not necessarily the most cost efficient thing to do.
But I would like to know your opinion, if you have done/owned one such beast or known of one before hand. Mostly pros and cons in terms of capabilities, or if it would be better to use a different milsurp platform.
Chances are I can still get a receiver and a bolt for less than the price of a mosin in good condition (I've seen a few like that online and on local gunshops.) Either that or getting a Mosin with the barrel already shot to hell.
By mistake I repeatedly wrote ".40-70" when I meant to say ".45-70". I corrected my post to reflect that.
==========
Hello,
Mods, please let me know if I created this thread in the right forum.
I was wondering if there was a a strong and modern .45-70 rifle, not single shot, capable of handling the full extend of the cartridge with modern loads. I was thinking maybe the Henry .45-70.
But then, I learned of options to re-barrel Mosins to that caliber (by replacing the original barrel with a brand new one just for that caliber). And I also saw a Siamese Mauser modded for that cartridge on gunbroker (don't know if that had a new barrel or a rebarreling of the original).
And that got me thinking, ignoring the cost for a moment, if such a modified mosin would fit the bill.
I really do not know much about the Siamese Mauser option when it comes to pressure capabilities.
For the Mosin, some places state it is capable of handling 46.6K to 47K psi. Others say 56k psi. And wikipedia states the 7.62x52mmR tolerates a maximum pressure of 52K psi. So far, it has been unclear to me how hard one can push a load on the mosin.
OTH, when consulting the Hodgdon cartridge loads, the recommended max loads for the ruskie round are just below the max loads for the .40-70 on what the chart calls a "modern" rifle (not lever or trapdoor, as per the chart.) Those max loads are around 47K PSI for loading .40-70 and around 46K PSI for loading the good old ruskie.
The chart would seem to suggest that a mosin in its original configuration is strong enough to handle pressures just a bit below the max pressures on a modern .45-70 load. That would be just fine with me.
Gun collective, what say you?
I really like my current 90/31, and I'm in the process of finding and acquiring more collectible-grade milsurps, mosins in particular.
As a result, I'm leaning 2/3's in favor of finding an already beat up Mosin or a Bubba, and have it modded for the .45-70 just for poops and giggles, even if it is not necessarily the most cost efficient thing to do.
But I would like to know your opinion, if you have done/owned one such beast or known of one before hand. Mostly pros and cons in terms of capabilities, or if it would be better to use a different milsurp platform.
Chances are I can still get a receiver and a bolt for less than the price of a mosin in good condition (I've seen a few like that online and on local gunshops.) Either that or getting a Mosin with the barrel already shot to hell.
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