Capacity Home Defense Shotgun

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by JCooperfan1911, Jun 6, 2021.

  1. Shivahasagun

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    2 in a double is most likely sufficient.

    I'd like a handgun on me to back that up, though.

    Otherwise 4+1 or more should keep you in the fight until the end.

    If you're worried about a whole Club of outlaw bikers or similar you'll want a rifle...and you should leave town...
     
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  2. Deanimator

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    How about the crew of inept home invaders who mistake you for the guy who ran the drug house out of your apartment, who moved out a year and a half ago?

    Police departments make those kind of mistakes. Are you saying that private sector criminals have BETTER intel?

    I'm surrounded by a Walmart, a Target, a large indoor mall and several strip malls. Are you guaranteeing that the same people who looted those same sorts of establishments won't decide to hit private homes and apartments when they get done with the businesses? They SAY they're going to. Where do you suggest I leave FOR? A "compound" in Idaho?
     
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  3. Shivahasagun

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    Sounds like you should keep a semi-auto rifle handy.
     
  4. Deanimator

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    I do... and eventually a semi-auto shotgun as well.
     
  5. dbz77

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    That is good.
     
  6. Deanimator

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    And two sniper/long range rifles and a Garand.
     
  7. Mr. Mosin

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    For my intended objective of “stay put and let them come to me”, a SxS and handgun works. I prefer them, honestly.
     
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  8. .38 Special

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    Well the gun leaves me cold, but that table top!
     
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  9. SwampWolf

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    Trouble is; it's too nice to eat off of. :eek:
     
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  10. candymancan

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    I would think with a shotgun.. since 99% of criminals would run to the sound of s racking pump action and the first shot going off. Id think 5 is plenty. But for me. I want 7+1. The reason is because minus home defense i like more rounds to shoot at the range.. less time on reloads.. more time to shoot. Those 1 hour range times are precious.

    So id rather have a 7+1 or mininun 6+1 shotgun.

    I even think a double barrel is plenty. Something about two barrels makes the shotgun seem alot more intimidating. But thats just me.

    Honestly my new gun is going to be a double barrel pump action. 16 rounds. Two barrels... oh yea...
     
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  11. Deanimator

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    I'll go along with the first shot, but where does the "sound of s(sic) racking pump action" come from? It's frequently said with ZERO evidence, in contrast to the NUMEROUS videos of criminals fleeing after being shot at.
     
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  12. SwampWolf

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    Fully agree with Deanimator. I would never claim that no criminal ever ran from the sound of a "racking pump action" but I wouldn't count on it happening. As Deanimator said, there is no evidence (at least that I'm aware of) that supports this old and often repeated bit of folklore. What does happen when a pump gun is "racked" is to alert every criminal within earshot of the presence and whereabouts of the racker-not exactly an effective tactical ploy.
     
  13. Deanimator

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    It may also indicate to him that you're either unprepared, untrained, or unserious, none of them a good impression to convey to a potential assailant.
     
  14. GEM

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    Recently, a woman fought off 4 invaders. A double would be difficult. That being said, I have reported here quite a few times of having run a high end shoot us with a double and box of ammo. There is no way that would be my choice. Saying it would suffice if you have tried a double in intensive training with more than the classic one guy is just baloney.

    If you haven't tried tactical training with a shotgun, law or military training and competition, you really don't have a handle of its application. You just spout shotgun mythology.
     
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  15. SOAB

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    I keep my shotgun (condition 3/cruiser ready) by my bedside, 5 in the tube 6 on the side. If 11 rounds of buckshot can't do it, then I need to seriously consider what drug cartel I angered... as I grab my AR.
     
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  16. SOAB

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    I'm on the team that racking a shotgun does nothing to scare a possible threat, especially a determined attacker.

    Though I do store my shotgun with nothing in the chamber, why?

    Drop safety.

    A lot of older shotguns, and time honored designs aren't drop safe, and I'm not Interested in blowing a hole in my bedroom wall because gravity wanted to be an A hole today, or my pet wanted to knock something over.

    As for tactics, my strategy is simple, retreat to my bedroom, make ready my shotgun, call the cops, and loudly announce that I have called the police, tell them I'm armed, and not to come down my back hallway or I will shoot.

    My position is definitely known, but they have to come to me in a house they probably don't know, knowing I'm armed, and that the police are on their way.

    If they're smart, I lose a TV, and a PS3, both covered under insurance.

    If they want to try to do me harm... Well the second guy might rethink the idea.

    I'm not a subscriber of the "gotta clear the house in the night squad" even the big dogs bring friends when they do that.

    Anyhow yeah 11 rounds should be plenty fine.

    If they catch me away from my room... 10 rounds of 27 pellet #4 buck Should amend that(33 rounds of Federal HST if I'm carrying my 9mm around, if not I typically have a slickside shotgun within short reach).
     
  17. Deanimator

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    My Ithaca 37 has no disconnector. When the slide goes forward, it fires and keeps firing so long as the trigger is depressed and the action is cycled.
     
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    Nice?

    Not sure what slamfire has to do with drop safety, unless you're just saying that you can slamfire right away instead of keeping a round in the chamber.
     
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    That's exactly what I'm saying.
     
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  20. Carl N. Brown

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    Slam fire in a pump like some of the Ithaca 37s works like the fire control group of a full auto: if the trigger is held back and a shell is fed into the firing chamber, as soon as the breech is locked, the hammer is released. It is an intended feature for pump guns designed for it.
     
  21. SwampWolf

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    I think it's an unintended "feature" that was part of a design quirk but which has proven advantageous for some. I have yet to see a manual from any company (including for the Winchester Models 12 and 97 and the Ithaca Model 37) that describes the "feature" and its purpose.
     
  22. Carl N. Brown

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    If it's not mentioned in the manuals, it very well may have been a quirk discovered by users, and not an intended operating mode. Especially since it was removed in later production 37s by Ithaca and 37 clone makers.
     
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  23. Deanimator

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    During college, a friend wanted one like mine. He was disappointed to learn that the M&P37 he bought had a disconnector.
     
  24. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    A 7+1 Maverick with a 6 shot butt cuff loaded to 7 hammer down on an empty chamber---a 8+1 590 loaded similarly butt cuff yet to come and various handguns stashed around my humble abode---my place is pretty well covered.

    I live alone and no one else has keys---any other person in my place will definitely be shot.
     
  25. Shivahasagun

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    There are just very circumstances where 2-6 rounds from a buckshot failed to do the job for a regular home owner defending themselves against anyone but the Police. I cant even recall one.

    If you have examples please share them.
     
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