Caracal 9mm

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IMO, there was a concious effort to create this industry within their country.
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I believe UAE is looking to diversify; Dubai is trying (successfully) to become Vegas, and Qatar is trying to become an acclaimed learning/research center. The SHTF scenario on the horizon in these nations is that the oil will run out one day, or be made obsolete, so the wiser countries are trying to set up fall back strategies for when easy money is gone.

My bet is some folks want the UAE to become a regional competitor to Israel in the arms market. UAE is on better terms with many of the big players than Israel, and manufacturing high quality arms at competitive cost seems a savvy way to get some of that fat money cake. Despite the derpings of some folks, the Emirates are not stone-age fascists; they have the money and the know-how to set up a world-class operation. I say we should welcome some more competition in the international gun market, it'll only lead to better guns :)

TCB

(sorry, I can't let this slide, forgive me...)
I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country
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The saddest part of this tripe is how common it is. Last week at the LGS, a guy was picking up a Caracal he had ordered. The store owner was intrigued, held it, smiled, and was obviously impressed (hadn't seen one before). He turned the gun over, saw "UAE" and immediately frowned, shrugged and laid down the pistol. "Meh, it's all right, I guess. Don't think I'll be ordering any, though." The UAE has done right by the US more than most nations, lately. it's quite arrogant to demand they abandon their "heathen" God, too.

And we wonder why so many nations hate playing ball with us... Good thing we can get guns from upright countries like Russia :rolleyes:

*rant over*
 
Tripe to you perhaps barnbwt but not to me...sorry not a fanboy here of Islam.

I'm sure the gun is great. Its just not for me for the reasons I stated. :banghead:

it's quite arrogant to demand they abandon their "heathen" God, too.
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I didn't demand or even suggest it.
 
"Weather"...what's the weather got to do with it.
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If you're going to correct someone, or poke fun at a typo, please be sure to use correct grammar while doing so.

not wanting a handgun manufactured in a Muslim country.
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Yet you own, or claim to own, Sig's and Glock's? What's the difference?
 
barnbwt said:
I believe UAE is looking to diversify; Dubai is trying (successfully) to become Vegas, and Qatar is trying to become an acclaimed learning/research center. The SHTF scenario on the horizon in these nations is that the oil will run out one day, or be made obsolete, so the wiser countries are trying to set up fall back strategies for when easy money is gone.

My bet is some folks want the UAE to become a regional competitor to Israel in the arms market. UAE is on better terms with many of the big players than Israel, and manufacturing high quality arms at competitive cost seems a savvy way to get some of that fat money cake. Despite the derpings of some folks, the Emirates are not stone-age fascists; they have the money and the know-how to set up a world-class operation. I say we should welcome some more competition in the international gun market, it'll only lead to better guns :)

TCB

(sorry, I can't let this slide, forgive me...)


The saddest part of this tripe is how common it is. Last week at the LGS, a guy was picking up a Caracal he had ordered. The store owner was intrigued, held it, smiled, and was obviously impressed (hadn't seen one before). He turned the gun over, saw "UAE" and immediately frowned, shrugged and laid down the pistol. "Meh, it's all right, I guess. Don't think I'll be ordering any, though." The UAE has done right by the US more than most nations, lately. it's quite arrogant to demand they abandon their "heathen" God, too.

And we wonder why so many nations hate playing ball with us... Good thing we can get guns from upright countries like Russia :rolleyes:

*rant over*
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What would be shocking is that he realized UAE was Middle Eastern Muslim country.:scrutiny:
 
Whats really surprising for me is that a boy here cockedlocked is constantly making derogatory comments. Not only that but he stands behind his statment over and over again repeating it. Yet the moderators of this forum have stood idle. Salute to few brave men here who have take issue with his statment. Just because he is a member since 2006 is no reason not to ban him. I thought this was the high road.

This fella should be booted from THR because here we cannot mix religious bias with the sport. If no action is taken then it means such statments are ok for gun forum.
 
I don't mind the flak guys as I anticipated that. I'm not going to get into a juvenile fussing contest.

I choose not to knowingly support Islamic countries. Continue support financially or verbally as you choose.
 
C&L has the right to his opinion.

Personally, I have no problem supporting a staunch U.S. ally, regardless of religion. Freedom to worship as an individual chooses has historical relevance in the U.S.

I have a few friends in Dubai, which makes it easy to remember that they aren't "a Muslim country". They are a nation of individuals of varying character, who are doing the best that they know how, to be happy. It just happens that Islam is the majority.

At the end of the day, we all want laughter and love.
 
RBid
You are right, and CL is entitled to his opinion and that opinion may very well be anti Islam or Jewish or whatever. In fact, right to hate is a right so long as you are not imposing on someone else's right in pursuit to happiness or well being. People today are present who favor the attrocities comitted by many dictators around the world- fine. They are also entitled to their opinion. Really, I dont care. However, in my opinion, if we start spilling hatered or hate speach in public forums, which are completely unrelated to the topic, not only its uncalled for but it is also rude and should be shunned and discouraged so that people (members) from various ideologies and walks of life should be able to freely share and exchange information on this forum related to firearms. I do not believe CL's comments are pleasing to any American Muslim on this forum. I totally believe in freedom of speach, but not when its at the cost of harmony and tranquillity.
 
Back to the caracal. I took my C to the range again. 100 more rounds no problems. At 15 yards unsupported I don't have any problems keeping it on an 8 inch target. And with the 15 round mag, I tear through a box of WWB in a hurry. And I did it without offending anyone at the range. Not the japanese guy on my left or the mexican guy on my right. Funny how in a different era, either one of those guys could have been unfriendly toward the US. Time sure can change perspective.
 
Shuler13 said:
Back to the caracal. I took my C to the range again. 100 more rounds no problems. At 15 yards unsupported I don't have any problems keeping it on an 8 inch target. And with the 15 round mag, I tear through a box of WWB in a hurry. And I did it without offending anyone at the range. Not the japanese guy on my left or the mexican guy on my right. Funny how in a different era, either one of those guys could have been unfriendly toward the US. Time sure can change perspective.
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How dare you try to get this thread back on track! :)
 
I haven't shot one, but my opinions from handling are...

Rear Sight integrated with slide plate...Weird choice. Replacements will be costly, methinks.

Grip feels good.

I like the small slide release lever. I have a bad habit from shooting 1911s which causes my thumb to hit the slide lock of a lot of different pistols. I am working on correcting this, but a smaller, less obtrusive slide lock is welcome in my book.

I like how low the pistol sits in my hand. Reminds me of my P7. Recoil should be extremely tame.

The grip of the "F" is kinda long, like HS2000/XD long, which is just longer than it needs to be in my opinion. The "C" grip feels perfect, but a 3.5" barrel on this model seems a strange choice. Seems that barrel length is more the realm of sub-compacts and not compacts.

In today's market a $400 price point is a good thing. I could care less how well they've marketed the pistol. A savvy shooter will have heard about them. Hopefully they DON'T do what HS did with the XD. A new logo engraved on the side shouldn't add $200 to the shelf price. Keep 'em at $400! The only thing I think they should have done was send molds of their guns to the big holster manufacturers to garner some more immediate "support" for the CCW holders in the US.

I don't engage in Holy Wars, don't believe that all Muslims are looking to kill us, and don't think (in addition to my yearly gasoline bill) that the profits from me buying a $400 pistol is of any significant amount to a platinum Benz driving Sheikh.

Steyr's M pistols seem to be back in the market also, and the Caracal makes me look towards the Steyr guns with a refreshed eye.
 
The other day went to buy one but got double minded between the SC and F model. Any advice on which to begin with?
 
I haven't had the please of shooting one but the guys at my LGS got a hold of one and took it out to the range. They are now all true believers in this gun. I got the handle it and was impressed with the ergonomics. Not going to get rid of my SR9C but wouldn't turn one down if someone offered me one at a great price. My main concern would be after-market accessories.
 
The SC isn't in the US market yet - it's the "C" model - Compact. Right now - the SubC isn't import legal due to "import points". I might add that the SUBC model barrel length isn't much shorter.

Here are the Stats:

Specifications
Weight
750 g (26 oz) Caracal F
700 g (25 oz) Caracal C
650 g (23 oz) Caracal SC

Length
178 mm (7.0 in) Caracal F
167 mm (6.6 in) Caracal C
160 mm (6.3 in) Caracal SC

Barrel length
104 mm (4.1 in) Caracal F
90 mm (3.5 in) Caracal C
86 mm (3.4 in) Caracal SC

Width
28 mm (1.1 in) Caracal F and C
23.5 mm (0.9 in) Caracal SC

Height
135 mm (5.3 in) Caracal F
122 mm (4.8 in) Caracal C
112 mm (4.4 in) Caracal SC
 
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From the info gathered from his other posts, the OP isn't in "our" market, he's overseas where they get all the cool stuff, and get it first :)
 
Geez guys...Really???

I belive the OP had an initial question, and I paraphrase...

"What do you think about this pistol?"

All right, just my opinion:

1. Looks very ergonomic.

2. Kind of ugly.

3. Bubits pistol...++1

4. At some point, I will probably purchase one.

Gunner
 
It is on my possible to buy in the future list, just to new yet for me. Like guns in their second or third generations before I buy. Besides I have 4 different 9mm now and really not looking for another at the moment.
 
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