Carry Class / CCW Badges

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Concealed carry badges carry the same legal weight as, but are nowhere near as awesome as my badge:

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In all seriousness, I find it unconscionable that any CCW instructor would try to shill a product that may very well result in their students getting arrested by a cop who takes a dim view of wannabe's.
 

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What about all of the former cops, ambulance drivers, and especially firefighters who have been issued badges from their agencies? Do they not deserve them?
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Hmmm, I have 2 badges from both my fire departments and I can't arrest anybody. Should I throw them out?
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For the two who wrote the above posts:

c1ogden said:
I have personally confiscated dozens of badges from politicians, former cops, firefighters, ambulance drivers, and security guards who tried passing themselves off as officers.
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He didn't say you shouldn't have badges. He spoke about badges from non-LEOs being used to try to pass the holder off as a LEO.

You should keep your badges but your badges have nothing at all to do with your weapon. To associate them is to, at a minimum, pretend to be a cop even if it doesn't go so far as to be considered impersonating a cop. If you walk around off duty showing your badge I call you nothing more than a mall ninja.
 
Just curious....if these instructors were selling worthless, useless, "I'm a cop wannabe" badges for $50 to $60 a pop, what the heck were they charging for the class? :what:
 
He spoke about badges from non-LEOs being used to try to pass the holder off as a LEO.
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No he didn't. He said
Most of us (cops) are of the opinion that, since badges are symbols of authority, it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge
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It doesn't get any plainer than that. Except there are people and agencies who have legit badges that don't have arrest authority. He said it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge. Not that anyone who has a badge should not present it as a some sort of CCW or fake-cop badge.
 
The only purpose I can see to having a badge is something like a mall shooting scenario. You have the BG, yourself, maybe an off duty cop or another CCW in the area, and you display the badge from a previously concealed location. This may prevent you from being engaged as the BG. Personally, I think I would rather face a thin possibility of being charged with impersonating than to accidentally get shot by another good guy.

I am not saying I would run into a situation like this but what if your in the immediate area when the shooting starts?
 
You have the BG, yourself, maybe an off duty cop or another CCW in the area, and you display the badge from a previously concealed location.
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Double tap the BG, kick his gun away, look around for more BG's and say, "Someone call 911!". Very unlikely you will be perceived as a BG...

By the way, Gold Hat ("Treasure of the Sierra Madre") had the correct response to the badges issue. :)


...and, no, I have absolutely no desire to be involved in a shooting, especially in a mall!
 
They were selling shirts in my class. I really prefer the shirts. The badges don't have the same visibility in high intensity coffee shop raids. If you really want to be safe when the SHTF, you gotta get the shirt.

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That's a real shirt? Too funny!

I think I feel left out. Without mandatory training, our local law enforcement is obviously missing out on a significant source of revenue.

Now I'll have to peruse the Internet to find a shirt like that. I wonder if I can get one with an inside pocket for a trauma plate. :)
 
Well there is this line of thought............
If the issueing agency wanted you to have a badge they would have given one to you with your permit.
I have never seen any good come from a badge that was not issued to any one, The 10% discount at waffle house isnt worth the trouble folks.
 
Xaviar:

Excellent CCW t-shirt example. But, remember, always buy the smallest and tightest version of the t-shirt to make the "CCW" more "observable" <<Tongue-in-cheek>>.

Doc2005
 
Can someone please design a CCW hard hat, already?! I prefer construction site yellow, and I want it to have a nice red, flashing light on top. Oh yeah, a utility belt for my portable CB radio too.
 
In a wierd situation, if some random guy flashes a fake badge, he's just gone from yellow to orange on my 'do I need to shoot this guy to protect myself' situational awareness meter.

Normal civilians don't flash badges. Bad guys and crazies do. Especially if you are acting like a cop, being authoritative and taking control of a situation, and then you flash a fake badge - you're much more threatening than you were before.

Just as an example - I cut you off in traffic because I'm late, the guy in front slams on his brakes for no reason, you rear-end me. We get out, you're mad because it's clearly my fault but I'm saying 'you rear-ended me @#!%! your insurance is paying' and so the situation progresses to the point where you show your weapon and or/badge. You've just gone from driver to pyscho.
 
There's an auction for a used Crown Vict where I work. Maybe I should get one with my tinfoil hat.
 
I would take their suggestions with a grain of salt, since they have a reason to sell you the badges. I have never been in a situation where showing the badge alone did anything to resolve a situation. In fact, when I was a rookie and badged a spithead, all it did was give him an opportunity to get closer "Hey lemme see that, I don't think that is a real badge". When I badged other cops at a scene they were local and knew what our stars looked like. I would be super suspicious of a badge I was not familiar with.

Leave the badges to the cops and firefighters that are issued them.
 
There's an auction for a used Crown Vict where I work.
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Ride in one first, drivers see a white crown vic with a light on it and you'll find you're always stuck behind people who are doing 5 under the speed limit where they used to do 20 over in your old car :D
 
Badges make you look like a wanabe, and can damage your credibility both with the responding officers and any eventual jury.

Beyond that, I have enormous moral problems with the things. Carrying a firearm does not make you a special kind of citizen. It does not make you a "warrior" or put you in some position of law enforcement. Thinking that it does can lead to all sorts of trouble.

What if you have to get into a gunfight, I for one would like some type of way to let the B & W rolling up to know that I am the good guy. What is one to do?
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Drop or holster your firearm and keep your hands up.
 
For 60 bucks, you can give each of those people my phone number, and when they need to get somewhere fast, they can hold their cell phone out the window while I make siren noises real loud like.
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Shame on you, I nearly wet myself :)
 
The only purpose I can see to having a badge is something like a mall shooting scenario. You have the BG, yourself, maybe an off duty cop or another CCW in the area, and you display the badge from a previously concealed location. This may prevent you from being engaged as the BG.
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How or why would you be engaged as the bad guy? You could always do nothing and not get engaged.

And what would keep bad guys from buying CCW badges and flashing them?
 
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