Carry Everywhere You Can

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Craig_VA, Oct 22, 2021.

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  1. mcb

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    Did the gun on your belt actual make the injury worst?
     
  2. Kleanbore

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    Yes--it was at about 3:30, and the injury was centered there. Took a lot of PT.
     
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  3. plainsdrifter

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    I'd have to think a second before handing over my firearm to anyone, even an LEO. I might be out a gun for awhile. No thanks.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. And I can believe it. My best buddy, Gary has a 100% disability rating from the VA. He was injured in Vietnam when the guy in front of him tripped a booby-trap. Gary caught a piece of it in his stomach, but that wasn't the main cause of his disability. The main cause was Gary was carrying two canteens, one in the middle of his back, and he landed on that canteen after the blast from the booby-trap blew him backwards about 10 feet.:eek:
    It could have been worse I guess. The guy that tripped the booby-trap died instantly. If that would have been Gary, I'd have never met him.:(
     
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    I agree gun owns need to stick together. I appologoze for my posts if it was taken as argument or derisive.

    I carry to the exclusion of some activities. That's my choice just like it's others choice not to. I respect others rights to do as they see fit.
     
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    That's a tough break for sure. Still, I slipped on the ice at work last year and wasn't carrying a gun- my PT has been 7 months and will probably continue til next year as well. The ortho said my injury will require about a year to reach MMI, so I will likely spend a year on work comp.
     
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    Ice is no joke.
     
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    I slipped in the mud the other day. Trying to not fall on my young'un made me fall on my side. The 1911 broke my fall. Mud is softer than ice.

    Sorry to hear of y'all's misfortune.
     
  9. Jeff White

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    I was assisting the serving of an arrest warrant when the suspect resisted being cuffed and the officer cuffing him and the suspect went off the porch. The officer landed on his weapon with the suspect on top of him. The officer was seriously injured, the porch was only about 18 inches off the ground.

    Falling on your weapon is a threat you shouldn’t take lightly.
     
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    bet ya that would not have been the result with your lcp max (another benefit?).

    murf
     
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  11. Kleanbore

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    Sounds likely, and I will carry it.
     
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    Last I checked, the God-given, natural right is to "...keep AND bear arms...". Even pre-Heller, Washington DC allowed residents to possess arms at home, IF they were disassembled and useless in a critical moment.

    But possession, without also having the right to have guns at hand, ready to employ, is useless.

    Possession is NOT the be-all, end-all of gun rights.

    In your case, you are primarily a collector, not really a user, so possession is what matters the most to you. My guns are tools; they have value primarily when used.

    There is room in the "big tent" for both mindsets. But both must be preserved for either to matter.

    Accordingly, please don't denigrate the importance of the "bear" element, even though it doesn't matter much to you personally.
     
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    I'm not knocking the right to bear (carry) arms, although I think the right to possess them is more fundamental. The wisdom of carrying (what this thread is all about) is another issue entirely.

    In Virginia, open carry without a permit is perfectly legal. All well and good. But, suburban northern Virginia is rife with Karens and soccer moms. These people, to begin with, are unfriendly towards guns.

    A small group of pro-gun activists have taken it upon themselves to openly carry in places like Starbucks, where the soccer moms congregate. The thinking is that this "desensitizes" the public to the presence of guns. The actual effect is the exact opposite. It hypersensitizes the public. It turns the housewives from neutral into antigunners. Then you wonder why antigun legislators get elected.

    If you're going to carry in a suburban area, at least carry concealed. This is basic public relations.
     
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    “God-given, natural right is…”

    I see this all the time. Sorry, I don’t really buy it. Where exactly does this come from?
     
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    SCOTUS, stated as "the natural right of self preservaion".
     
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    Yep.

    At least that, depending upon the situation.
     
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    Have you read the Declaration of Independence lately? Jefferson, the Declaration's principal author, filled the first paragraphs of this document with ideas from Enlightenment thinking.

    You can learn more here:

    https://www.crf-usa.org/foundations-of-our-constitution/natural-rights.html

    And here's an excerpt:

    "As a man of the Enlightenment, Jefferson was well acquainted with British history and political philosophy. He also had read the statements of independence drafted by Virginia and other colonies as well as the writings of fellow revolutionaries like Tom Paine and George Mason. In composing the declaration, Jefferson followed the format of the English Declaration of Rights, written after the Glorious Revolution of 1689.

    Most scholars today believe that Jefferson derived the most famous ideas in the Declaration of Independence from the writings of English philosopher John Locke. Locke wrote his Second Treatise of Government in 1689 at the time of England's Glorious Revolution, which overthrew the rule of James II.

    Locke wrote that all individuals are equal in the sense that they are born with certain "inalienable" natural rights. That is, rights that are God-given and can never be taken or even given away. Among these fundamental natural rights, Locke said, are "life, liberty, and property.""
     
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    And we’ve drifted into constitutional theory which is very interesting but completely off topic.
     
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