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Carry gun problem

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by CAS700850, Sep 22, 2005.

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  1. CAS700850

    CAS700850 Member

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    Okay, for those of you who have seen my posts, you know I'm a prosecuting attorney, and am authorized (but not required) to carry concealed on my badge. Up until this last week, I have happily carried a Glock 19, a Sig 239, or a Smith 649. Rules were that the carry weapons (1) had to be .38/9mm/.40/.45 caliber; (2) double action (Glock considered DA); (3) concealed in an appropriate holster unless circumstances dictated otherwise (open carry for raids).

    Due to an incident I cannot discuss because of possible pending legal action, the rules are changing. NOw, all carry weapons must be either a revolver or a DA auto with a manual safety, carried with the safety engaged. I have a Beretta 92 that I'm wearing as I type this, but it is just too big for daily concealed carry.

    I know Smith traditional autos have a manual safety. What other DA autos offer a manual safety on a pistol that is concealed carry size in 9mm/.40/.45 calibers?
     
  2. jacobtowne

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    "DA auto with a manual safety, carried with the safety engaged"

    If I had to live by that regulation, I'd carry a revolver.
    JT
     
  3. Henry Bowman

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    Bummer. (Many of us wish we had such a problem.)

    I'm a 1911 man myself and believe that SA is not any more inherently dangerous than a DA. But I'd probably cary a revo until I could take the time to try and selct the most appropriate semi-auto that fit the requirements.
     
  4. dk-corriveau

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    How about a Commander sized Para with the LDA trigger. I felt one for the first time last week and man is that a nice trigger.
     
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    Taurus Millenium series. Available in 9, 40, or .45. Slide saftey, DAO.
     
  6. GI Jane

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    how about a beretta 9000s. They are compact,easy to conceal. Come in 9mm or .40.
    was looking at them myself, but for me it's a bit small but for what you are looking for I belive it would be perfect.
     
  7. Shipwreck

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    While a bit tough to get, there are some people with the smaller Berettas for sale. You can still find some new online. I think they are type "M" but I can't remember for sure.

    The Para Ordinance that someone else mentioned seems to be a good idea.
     
  8. Frandy

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    HK USP Compact. Mine is variant 1, so you can lock and cock, or decock with safety off, or decock with safety on. Your choice of calibre:

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  9. Werewolf

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    CZ-PO1 fits the bill I believe... DA first pull, single after that.

    CZ-PO1
     
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    No manual safety. And the RAMI safety can't be engaged in DA.

    DA semi with the safety on? I'd go with a revolver, too. Perhaps a 3" barreled S&W Model 60? Or a Ruger 3" barreled SP101?
     
  12. Old Fuff

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    If you still want to carry a S&W J-frame/inclosed hammer/.38 Special pocket revolver, shop around until you find an original S&W model 40 (all-steel) or 42 (airwight) that had a grip safety. It is indeed a "manual safety," and should meet the rule's requirements.

    Both S&W and Ruger made some K-frame sized revolvers with a manual safety, for the French. They are sometimes found, but usually very expensive.

    Somebody needs to explain to the rulemaker that modern revolvers have "mechanical" safeties (sometimes more then one) that prevent any possibility of an accidental/unintentional discharge unless the trigger is fully pulled and held back while the hammer falls. If the trigger is not held, it will follow the hammer down, and the hammer will be blocked. This is the reason that revolvers don't normally have manual safeties.
     
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    EAA Witness. Safety can be engaged DA or SA. I carried one for 13+ years, and had no problems.
     
  14. TIMC

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    I give a second on the Para Ordnance LDA guns. Great trigger, slim 1911 style frame and safety also very easy to conceal. I carry the C645.
     
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    dk

    I've yet to fire one but like dk above I would have to give the Para LDAs a shot at filling that bill. The LDA feels mighty sweet in dry fire testing.
     
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    +1 for the HK. That's my CCW.
     
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    Doesn't somebody make an after-market thumb-safety for Glock? Would that work for your new requirements?
     
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    Yes, there is an aftermarket safety for da Grock - seen it advertised. Will they accept a "modified" firearm?
     
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    My baby daughter packs a Taurus PT-145

    Second vote for a ParaO LDA in the size of your preference.

    .38spl is an option. I use a Taurus snubbie with a Barami Hip Grip.

    Let us know what you pick.
     
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    Walther PP or PPK/S
     
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    Since you like the 239, look at the S&W 3913. Close in size/concept and has the TDA with Safety & Decocker lever.
     
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    I have quite a few pistols I carry concealed all the time.Para Carry 45,Taurus PT745(single stack),Kahr K40(gonna have a P45 soon,I got to fondle one last Saturday),Taurus 24/7-45,Glock 36.To meet your criteria the Glock and the Kahr are out.The 24/7 is my"I can carry a slightly larger gun"gun,I can't figure out how they fit 12rds of 45 in a grip that slim,but it is concealable,perhaps my winter carry fulltime.I got the PT745 because the PT145 I had felt too thick for me.The PT745 is much slimmer and easier to carry all day IWB.The Para is my absolute favorite 45 because,although it is a lot heavier than the PT745,the LDA trigger is the best of anything I've fired.Try to test as many as you can that fit your requirements,good luck...
     
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    I thought the SIG P239 had a manual safety? Wouldn't it work?
     
  25. Ken Rainey

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    What about using a Saf T Blok with your Glock?? That should satisfy their manual "safety" requirement.

    If not, Cominolli makes a frame mounted safety for Glocks but you have to cut the frame to install it - I've handled a Glock with one and it worked well.

    Other than those, I'd carry the revolver you already have if you're comfortable with it or maybe buy a used (I like the older ones) K-frame 38/.357 such as a Model 10,13,15, 65 or 66.

    If you wanted a semi and they wouldn't go for the Saf T Blok and you didn't want to modify your Glock, then you might try to find a HK in 9mm - it has a frame mounted safety that works in DA or SA mode.

    Slide mounted safeties are just not the thing to have to try to manipulate in a SHTF situation.

    Sorry to hear that these restrictions are being imposed on you.
     
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