Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Don357, Jan 22, 2017.
I notice nobody mentioned the issue of gloves. Hope you're all wearing them, but how do those of you carrying expect to find, pull, and shoot while wearing them, especially with winter weight gloves or while wearing winter weight riding jackets?
Think of your waist as a clock. 1:00 is front, slightly right. 3:00 is directly on your right side. 4:00 is behind the back slightly on right about kidney or so. And so on around the clock.
The difference I think is between the adrenaline junky and motorcycle for transportation. I ride from point A to Point B. When I was younger in my sport bike days and was out on the twisties in full leather, I did not carry. But going to work or the store or wherever, I simply don't change my carry mode. I do wear gloves and leather jacket now.
This is what I was getting at....
I am geared up....gloves, boots, over pants with armor, jacket with armor....I also look like a traffic cone driving down the road. If for some reason I felt I had to have one on me I would do a shoulder holster but I think I am more likley to hit an animal or be hit by a soccer mom then needing the pistol.
There are also times when stopping for fuel or food that the comfort of a gun is the same as if we were walking or in a car.
Daily commute, weekend warrior or cross country touring, we ride some nice bikes and carry valuable items so that makes us marks.
Cars in front of you. Cars behind you, Cars beside you. When I pull up to a light is when I feel the most vulnerable. I want to be able to draw setting in the saddle.
The two times I've gone down in the last 25 years or so were not due to excess speed, but rather to tar and chip roads, which seem to be the bane of my existence. The rolling I previously mentioned was at 55 mph, not particularly fast. Both spills shredded my armored pants and jacket, gloves, and helmet and face mask, but I suffered no torn skin, just lots of bruises. I hit hard enough to shatter my phones. So no carry for me, and I won't leave a gun on the bike lest I forget to take it and it gets stolen.
Highway engineers who start tar and chip roads with curves and no signage should be dragged face down one for 50 yards at a minimum.
....and FME, the adrenaline junky probably has it safer than the basic transportation guy. Only time I have gone down is when someone in a cage pulled out or turned in front of me and I had to lay it down or hit them. Both times I was doing the speed limit and had the right of way. Both times my leathers saved my hide.
Why did three guys attack you out of the blue, just for no reason? How well do you think you'd have done against three guys trying to pull your gun while sitting on the bike? I'll wager not very well, all they'd have had to do is push you over and continue with the beating. I can get my pistol out of my tank bag with either hand, probably just about as fast as you can reach under a jacket and pull yours from a holster. That's why I carry it there.
I taught MSF courses for over 15 years, I've met several riders who were seriously injured in accidents and attributed at least some of the severity of their injuries to handguns or other hard objects they were carrying on their persons. One in particular stuck with me, he was carrying a full size 1911 in a shoulder holster and he had 6 rib breaks on 4 ribs in that spot, and a pneumothorax (a partially collapsed lung). He said it took him a full year to fully recover from it ( I've had a somewhat similar injury, he's telling the truth about that, it was bad). Now there's really no absolute way to say for sure that he wouldn't have been injured without a gun there but he believed the gun did it. I have not been down on pavement since 1981, but I have sure come close way more times to going down than I have to needing my gun while riding, and riding a motorcycle is a constant exercise in risk assessment...to me the gun is more likely to do harm than good while riding, so I'll keep mine right where it is TYVM.
IMO, the inside jacket pocket (most motorcycle jackets have 'em), or shoulder holster are a (marginally) better idea. Sportsman's Guide and others sell vests made for concealed carry as well. The thigh pocket of an Aerostitch works great, for relatively small gats.
But within a month several of them had one.
It's the M-7 Tanker Holster from Pacific Canvas and Leather.
It's commonly called the Tanker holster,,,
It's a shoulder holster that rides more towards the front of your body.
That allowed me to ride my cruiser and forget it was there.
In the summer when I dress lighter,,,
I made a vest with an integral holster inside it,,,
In fact I copied one of these from Cabela's as closely as I could.
It works perfectly for my LCP and LC9.
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