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Carrying a gun: a civilized act

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 9mm4545, Oct 9, 2008.

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  1. 9mm4545

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    I wish I could say that I wrote the following. It was sent to me by a friend and is one of the most erudite and cogent arguments for CCW that I have seen recently. Anyway, here goes:

    The Gun Debate
    Major L. Caudill United States Marine Corps (Retired)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat. It has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong and the many and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
     
  2. gregormeister

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    That is a great CCW article!!
     
  3. Ramius

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    That's great stuff... thanks for posting it.

    Copy of that one goes into the personal library for persueding the fence sitters...
     
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    Where ever it came from it is well written-thanks, wc
     
  6. 9mm4545

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    thanks for the clarification

    So who actually wrote it? Maj. Caudill or Dr. Piazza? In any case, the words ring true whoever wrote them. Notice there was nothing said in the article about hunting, sportsmen, common sense gun laws or any of the other hogwash being pushed by the BOJB organization and their ilk.
     
  7. El Tejon

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    Marko wrote it.

    And now is the time on Sprockets that we dance.
     
  8. Larry E

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    Great and absolutely the truth. The people who don't believe in an armed response to a physical threat have obviously never been subjected to a physical threat, or they aren't too bright. :evil:
     
  9. JDoe

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    Force Equalizer

    I like that.

    I no longer carry a gun, I carry a force equalizer. :D
     
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    People were generally very polite in the Victorian days. One reason was that almost all carried some small weapon on their person or in their purse.
     
  11. TallPine

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    God made man and woman.
    Sam Colt made them equal.

    ;)
     
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    I like it, good little essay.
     
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    At this time before we all go and vote this article brings home why it is important to uphold the 2nd Amendment rights. :cool:
     
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    Sorry but the Antis' argument would be:

    "maybe you can talk the bad guys out of hurting you".. "Or, maybe you can run away".. "Give them what they want". "A gun will only escalate the violence".

    I am in a cynical mood today I guess... It is a nice article, but they will rationalize it away. They always do!
     
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    The original author is Marko Kloos, a THR plankowner. His blog, The Munchkin Wrangler, has the original.
     
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    That article presents some good thoughts. Thanks for posting it.
     
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    wow

    Very good read, simple and easy for the anti's to understand. :)
     
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    Bad guys don't want to talk. Very sheltered people may not understand this one, though.

    What if you can't?

    What if they want to kill me?

    It will only escalate the danger to the criminal. The danger to me is already at its peak if my gun is involved in the situation.

    Some people refuse to deal honestly with reality. You can't get through to all of them. But you can keep talking when they start their nonsense. Be polite, but don't back down. Every little doubt that you can force into their heads chips away at their beliefs.
     
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    This is one of the best phrased articles I have read on this subject. Doesn't come off as paranoid or macho, it's just right. Very enlightening.
     
  20. Pistol Toter

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    Yeah! Case in point: I have a son that believes that only the militia has the right to have arms. I can't get him to see that we are the militia. :banghead: Where did I go wrong.:confused:

    That was a very good article!!!!
     
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    thanks for that read, I love to see good logic put into simple to understand words.
     
  22. Another Patriot

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    That is a very good article!

    I believe that it is the duty of everyone who can legally carry a weapon to do so.
     
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    Don't give up the ship yet. There's always hope.

    Hell, up till about 2 years ago, *I* thought that it was only the business of police and military to bear arms. I still recall several years back getting into a spat with a relative about his "gun nut" ways.

    Sadly, said person is no longer with us for me to apologize to. But I believe he'd be proud to see me bearing a sidearm 24/7 and having "evil" black rifles.
     
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    I consider it not only my right, but my responsibility to be adequately armed.
     
  25. helplessCanadian

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    So true. It seems that it takes an unfortunate incident for such people to realize that the great equalizer may have allowed them to carry on with the lives they had previously. It is not hard to imagine how the inability to protect loved ones or one's self from harm in a given situation can haunt you for a lifetime.
     
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