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Carrying a gun with kids is hard - Gotta be careful!!!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Aim1, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. Aim1

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    Terrible event and something that will affect this man the rest off his days. Unless it's OWB in a holster, I've never completely felt comfortable carrying a pistol (I pocket carry) unless it has a thumb safety.
     
  3. commygun

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    I pocket carried a DAO .380 in a pocket holster throughout all the wrestling and horseplay of my son's childhoods and never felt there was the remotest chance of it ADing. The story is awful. Many will scoff, but it's another example of why I won't carry a striker-fired pistol in the pocket or IWB.
     
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    It's not hard; but it is important to take it seriously.

    1. Carry a good quality modern firearm that has a drop safety. Make sure it is in good working order. If you have modified it, insure that the modifications do not adversely affect the operation of the built in safety systems.

    2. Carry it in a good quality holster that holds the gun securely and protects the controls from being operated while the gun is holstered. Make sure it is in good condition. A holster is an integral part of the the safety of a carry system and it is very important that it does its part.
     
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  5. TJ AK-74

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    Tragic. Thing that doesn't make sense to me is how a gun tucked in the back of pants discharges and hits both victims in the head? Maybe it fell out and got bumped? Seems almost impossible that it got twisted around and fired while still in the pants.
     
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    So...no holster.
     
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    Another story says it "slipped out" suggesting that it could have dropped. I wonder if maybe the guy made a grab for it and got on the trigger somehow. It's pretty hard to get a modern firearm to go off from simply being dropped.
     
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    Tragic. Kids do unexpected things, like reach into your pocket when you are looking the other way. I pocket-carry a hammer-fired, DAO, pistol with a good safety, in a good pocket holster. When I’m not around kids, and in some potentially risky environment, it is easy enough to disengage the safety while still holstered and in the pocket.
     
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    Stupidity killed that child, damn shame. Let it be a lesson.
     
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  10. bearcreek

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    Wrestling with your kids could actually be a good test in a way. If a person can't do that without their gun going off or falling out, how the hell do they expect to be able to fight for real while wearing that weapon? Do they think that they're somehow magically guaranteed that they'll be able to have their gun in hand prior to the fight starting? Do they think that every fight will justify drawing that weapon before any "wrestling" occurs? Pretty incredible how naive some folks can be.
     
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    Given the event described in the OP , I think I'll pass.
     
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    That's the only reason I don't carry. As much as I should , and want to, if I ever dropped a gun or some crap like this and shot one of my girls I'd never be able to live with it.
     
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    Very sad, and very avoidable. I tustle with my kids with my round chambered IWB Glock quite often. However, it is securely in its place within its holster. If the playing gets too serious it’s out and in its nightstand safe.

    So tragic, and that dad had to learn the hardest way to take carrying a gun seriously.
     
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    So when I started carrying the accidental discharge was a big consideration for me because of my kids. That is why I carry a S&W Shield with a safety. There is a lot of debate about having a safety on your carry gun but if you train with it I have not noticed it being a hindrance.
     
  15. bearcreek

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    Your choice of course. Obviously if you were doing such a "test" you'd have the gun unloaded. That wasn't really my point though. You should be able to literally have a knock down, drag out, biting, punching, kicking, wrestling full on fight while wearing your pistol. The events in the OP happened because the guy didn't know what he was doing and was carrying the gun wrong.
     
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    Tragic, indeed.

    However, I submit that when one carries, part of your responsibility is to consider what activities ought not be engaged in in the first place.

    For example, we already know that one aspect of carrying is to be observant and avoid potential confrontations which have the possibility of violence in the first place.

    The same philosophy should be applied with other activities.

    There are a whole lot of other mitigating or compounding issues, too. Was a holster used or not? If so, what kind of holster was it? What kind of pistol was it? Did it have a manual safety of some kind, or not? How about the condition of the firearm? If you need to remove the firearm, can you do so with the pistol remaining in it's holster (safest method), or do you have to unholster it? Where was the pistol carried on the person's body?

    I carry all the time. However, I wouldn't carry for certain activities. I wouldn't, for example, carry if I were engaging in certain sporting activities...like football, for example. I would not carry if I were engaging in wrestling activities (either sporting or play), because wrestling involves a lot of clinging and grappling. I would not carry if I were sparring with my brother in martial arts.

    Carrying requires us to THINK about the potential consequences of our actions...or lack thereof.
     
  17. Fine Figure of a Man

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    Exactly 0% of the blame can be put on the gun.
     
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    There is a brief article and what happened isn't all that clear. Anything could've happened from intent to harm, negligence, a temporary lapse of judgement, or just an accident.
     
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    Horrible story, can’t imagine.


    Bearcreek does have a point. Yeah of course don’t try this with a loaded pistol but I can’t imagine how many times LEO’s have fought and wrestled with a loaded Glock pistol in a proper holster.

    I’ve heard of tests being done by tossing or dropping a UNLOADED, cocked pistol to insure that the striker or hammer doesn’t fall.
     
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  20. Dfwkid

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    Horrible, horrible. Not keeping one in the pipe would have prevented this tragedy.
     
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    If you read the article, it says it was a Glock that was tucked in his pants in the small of his back...
     
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    Carrying the pistol in a proper holster and taking it off before engaging in a wrestling match would have prevented this. Safe and proper gun handling would have prevented this. Not carrying a firearm in it's intended manner, one in the chamber, is just silly.
     
  23. bearcreek

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    True, it would have. Not keeping one in the pipe not only prevents the gun from going off when it's carried in a negligent and/or idiotic manner, it often also prevents the gun from going off when you want/need it to. The alternative is to carry it in a good holster mounted in a good location.
     
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    Very sad. Ridicule on the man won't make him feel worse than I'm sure he already does. I just couldn't imagine. I carry sun up till bed time, have 2 very young children (2 1/2 and 8 mo.) And don't see this as a problem for me as I wear a proper holster on a proper belt and the closest thing I've had to my gun moving at all is the few times my magazine was somehow released, even that is embarrassing enough . I'll pray for this guys family and hope others can learn from his mistake. Shame the media is so uninformed and biased that the actual story may never be known.
     
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    I re-read the thread ; I do not see where anyone sought to ridicule the dad in the incident.
    It is reasonable and normal to try to determine and understand just how such a tragic unintentional shooting occurred.
    In the course of doing that , it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the tragedy was completely avoidable , and that the adult involved does have a degree of responsibility for what happened , however horrific it is to process that thought.
    It happened. We have a responsibility to learn and avoid.
     
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