Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by savagelover, Nov 6, 2021.
I’ll soon be in a similar spot with my 357 lever coming next week. Who’s a good supplier for gas checked bullets for those of us who aren’t casting our own? Plenty of hard cast companies with reasonable pricing , but I haven’t sent too many with checks…
I shoot Acme Bullets in my Henry 45colt and 357 with no issues. Maybe give them a try.
You'll need a mold that allows you to cast for gas checks. Then you'll have to buy the correct GC's.
Look on ebay, you can probably find the mold(s) that will work for your gun. Also look around for GC's while you're there, you'd be surprised at the stuff you can find.
Midway, Brunos, Midsouth... should all have them if you can't find them on ebay.
My .44 shoots jacketed bullets great
Started shooting Cowboy Action. Using Hornady LSWC, groups were awful. Switched to Powder Coated and groups tightened back up.
Got a .45 Colt and same thing, all over again
I contacted Accurate Molds and Tom recommended that he uses the 43-240A(G) in his Henry and 92 rifles. I have several of his molds and if that's what he thinks will work I'm all in. Well soon as I save my allowance anyway.
Most of the jacketed bullets have measured around .429" so I'm going to try some .430 before I order the mold. I can size up to .432 right now but most of the time I use the .430 in my Redhawk's.
Please post up what you end up doing.
You don't need no stinking gc's or gc molds. Hard alloys need to be driven hard to perform at a high level. The bevel bases on the commercial bullets aren't doing you any favors.
There's a huge difference between shooting dirt clods at 25yds and trying for 2" groups @ 100yds. Was playing around with these 2 bullet designs in a 10" bbl'd contender. The bullet on the left is a gc design, on the right a plain based 640 series 245gr hp.
Sold the mold that cast the bullets on the left. The rfn (640) bullet on the right shoots well enough in everything I tried it in I sold 6 or 7 different 44cal molds because of it. I had found good loads with the other molds/bullet designs but the accuracy window was extremely small. That 245gr rfn hp (270gr solid nosed rfn) shoots accurately with loads from mind to wild. Accuracy means different things to different people. I don't take much stock in 3-shot groups but I was sighting a plinking load in using that 640 bullet & a 10" bbl'd contender that I put a reddot/burris fast fire III on. Was sighting it in to bang on steel @ 100yds.
Showed this junk before, was initally using the top target to sight the reddot in. After it was close and I figured out how much 1 click move the poi I started shooting targets on the bottom row (nra 50yd smallbore rifle targets). Shot the left target (3 1/2" group) and decided to turn the brightness down 1 click, the dot was a little fuzzy/jagged edges. Turning the dot down gave me clear round edges that were a lot easier to pair with the round targets. Put 3 shots on the right target, a lot better!!!
A close-up of that bottom right target.
Gave the reddot a couple clicks down and 1 click over and eat the snot out of some steel for awhile.
Anyway your rifle will easily do 2" groups @ 100yds. Pick out a good bullet design and keep the es's down on your reloads. You're not shooting dirt clods/4" groups @ 25yds, everything matters.
The rifles will shoot, but not always the same load as your revolver as well. Or, go with jacketed if you want a load that works in both as well. Depends a lot on what one wants the loads to do and perform in well.
Yup More powder makes them rock hard bullets More better
rifle is .431". Off the top of my head I'd suggest; slug the barrel and use bullets that are about .002" larger than groove diameter, check a pulled bullet's diameter to make sure cases aren't shaving, use/find some "normal" BHN bullets, Lyman #2 is a good choice (BHN 15), use a slower powder in the 2400, Blue Dot, AA#9 area and start with min. book loads and work up. I have no idea how many Lyman 420421 SWC, plain base I've cast from wheel weight alloy and fired (in my 5, 44 Magnums) quite successfully, accurately and clean, no leading...
I had a few "getting used to" problems with my Puma. BBL slugged .431"-.432" and I looked for a good feeding bullet that was able to be sized to .433"+. I found Ranch Dog's design 265 gr RNFP gas checked bullet to give me excellent results, even when cast with range lead. I soon got the same mold in 240 gr. Both shot accurately in my revolvers, fed well in my Puma, and my Dam Wesson 44H liked the 265 enough to give me occasional sub 2" groups @ 25+ yards, with very few over 2 1/2" when I did my part...
Go slow. Double check everything. Most important, have fun.
I thought about powder coating a few,but doubt that will do anything.. johnny
If I didn't cast, I would order some RNFP powder coated bullets from Missouri. 12 BHN would be my best bet.
You don't need to buy any special soft lead, that lead is for muzzle loaders not modern cartridges.
IF you want to cast, get a Lee, 6 cavity, 240 grain gas check mold. You can still shoot those with or with out gas checks, either way you want. I load super hot full power loads with the gas check and Blue Dot powder for hunting in my rifle but I shoot those out of any of my revolvers to during hunting season. Never a problem.
Lighter loads with out gas checks to practice with hand guns or plink with the rifle and let the kids shoot, same bullet, no gas check and a middle of the page load from the Hornady manual. Green Dot usually but I've use any of a dozen other powders with that and the same results.
My lead is usually pretty hard with any where from 100% wheel weights to 25% wheel weights and pure lead.
Get a set of artist pencils to check hardness. More than good enough for these projects.
And yes, mine also has a tight chamber.
The 44s are very uncommon and only made a short time. Extremely accurate. I’ll be using it this year for deer
Any ideas? I wish I still had my hardness tester. I'm thinking the bullets are to hard. Maybe I will try to push them harder,and see if that helps. Worst it could do was lead the barrel..
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