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Catastrophic Failure......

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  1. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

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    It's displayed at PGC, in a glass fronted case.

    It USED to be a mid grade SxS, made in Spain in the 60s. The owner bought it recently LNIB with two sets of barrels. He put the longer set to work for trap use for maybeso 3K rounds, then switched to the shorter for maybe 300 rounds before the breech end split at the chamber.

    Besides the barrel damage, the action suffered.

    I told the owner not to buy any Lottery tickets for a while. He's used up all his luck for a good long time.

    He still can see from both eyes. He has all ten fingers and no fresh wounds.

    It took 30 minutes for the feeling to return to his left hand.

    He was wearing eye protection.

    He states chamber thickness is .045".

    Load was a 1 oz reload of modest pressures.

    So what happened?

    Nobody knows.

    DO wear eye and ear protection religiously.....
     
  2. rcmodel

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    I doubt the "reload of modest pressure" part!

    Funny how most every gun blow-up reported is with reloads?

    And I'm not pointing fingers at reloads.
    I'm pointing them at some of the folks who reload.

    rc
     
  3. Dimis

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    i guess the guy didnt read in the reload manual where it says RUGER ONLY lol just kidding
     
  4. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

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    17 gr of 700X, 1 oz of shot.

    Owner E"d me with pics and details. Says the chamber area was ground down and filled with braze metal. More to follow.
     
  5. RandKL

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    With a chamber that thin, why even bother to question the ammo? I'd say it was the barrel.

    richard
     
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    Dave,
    Did you mean that the chamber thickness was .045 wall thickness at the chamber?

    If so than that is extremely thin in an area where it should be substantially thicker.:what:

    Scratchin' my head with this one.:confused:
     
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Well, thats different.

    Maybe it wasn't his reload after all! :D

    rc
     
  8. Fred Fuller

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    Glad to hear no apparent permanent damage was done to the shooter. He sure burned through a lot of luck with that one.

    lpl
     
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    Sorry . Missed that .

    Sounds premeditated,though!
     
  10. mgkdrgn

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    THAT is a very ODD description of LNIB, IMHO!!
     
  11. Virginian

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    When I first saw that title, I was starting to get mad. I thought you were referring to my first marriage.
     
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    For years there was a rumor that Spanish guns of that vintage had "soft steel" but I thought it just applied to firing pins.
     
  13. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

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    I can't seem to get the pics to post. Let me try again....
     
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    pics

    Pics of the gun.
     

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    Pretty brutal, amazing that injuries weren't more serious.
     
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    *shiver*

    Dave,
    Thanks for posting a serious reminder. As you have shared, the pressure of a shotgun chamber is akin to a grenade going off.

    Sometimes we don't know the "why", still catastrophic occurs.
    I have been right there, knew the fella, knew the loads, knew the gun and bad stuff happened.

    I found the thumb of a friend of mine, and he was using factory loads, and he did not load the gun wrong, or have a stuck wad...

    I located the little finger of another person I knew, a seasoned shooter, and again he did nothing wrong, others were watching and he did not.



    As you and others know, I have a problem with folks trying to buy skill and targets.
    I also have a problem with folks messing with guns that do not realize how serious the pressures are.

    Good guns, with quality ammo have "serious surprises" as is.

    These folks "modding here" and "whacking this off there" and "bolting this on", shooting "exotic ammo" and the like ,might just be playing Russian Roulette.

    You know how tough a receiver is on a single shot shotgun?
    I burst one all to hell one day.
    I had it secured in a tractor tire and pulled the trigger by cord , behind cover.
    Brand new gun, and it was donated to prove a serious safety lesson.

    Exotic rounds had again gotten the attention of some young folks, and that round burst that gun all to pcs, including the receiver.

    Yes, it cost a new gun. It was worth it if it prevented just one person from getting hurt.
    We did this from time to time, with a new crop of shooters coming up, all full of TV, Movie, and wherever they got ideas.

    We had been using good used single shots, and we hated to do this, still a human being is worth the investment.
    Some smart aleck kids "well them old guns are not worth a flip..." so we let them pick out a new single shot, and someone picked up the tab for this object lesson.

    We demonstrated some other things, and yes this cost some barrels and some stocks along the way...
    Then again if it prevents just one person, it is worth the investment.

    Sounds crazy, still I do recommend a range do something like this from time to time, with new folks coming into shotguns.

    *shiver*
     
  17. huntsman

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    Isn’t that the kind of damage you're supposed to get when a 20 gauge shell goes into a 12 gauge tube ahead of the 12 cartridge?
     
  18. RandKL

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    That chamber wall looks incredibly thin. In that second pic, it appears to be no thicker in places than the barrel wall.

    rich
     
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    "HOLY CRAP" :what: Thank God no serious injurys were incurred. Thats all I have to say.:)
     
  20. czarjl

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    Any more details on the make model and gauge of the shotgun?
    I wonder what kind of “work” was done to that shotgun. Sounds like the previous owner did something and decided to sell it instead of shoot it himself.
     
  21. Jim Watson

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    "Says the chamber area was ground down and filled with braze metal."

    If so, that is just criminal and warrants a lawsuit or a horsewhippin' depending on your background.

    Greener did some shooting with very thin barrels, but a braze joint is just not right.
     
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    What does this mean? That chamber pits or imperfections were 'repaired' via low-heat braze filling and re-reaming?
     
  23. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Does he have the seller's name and address? If so, lawsuit time.
     
  24. foghornl

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    Shooter has used up the lifetime supply of good luck for SEVERAL folks, considering that all pieces/parts of himself are still attached and working..

    EEEEEEEEEEK ! !
     
  25. Peter M. Eick

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    Truly amazing. To think he walked away from that!
     
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