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Discussion in 'Legal' started by tyler500e, Jan 23, 2009.

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  1. tyler500e

    tyler500e Member

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    It is illegal to carry on campus at my college, and being the law abiding citizen that I am, I follow the rules. There is no way that I would ever sneak my carry on campus for a number of reasons. Besides the obvious consequences, I am an EMT student and in that "hand-on" environment, I am sure that I would eventually be found out. Each doorway on each building on campus is plastered with the "defense-free zone" signs. I work 8-5 everyday and immediately drive to campus to attend night classes 4 nights a week. I have my CCL so I carry about everywhere that I go, so here is my question: Is it against the law to keep mine in the car with one in the pipe while on campus? I do not have time to go home to drop it off, so it must stay in the car.
     
  2. Treo

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    When I was in school the test for pt. assesment (secondary survey) was to tape two nickles to the "pt." if you didn't find the you failed. Your gun would get found your first day in class
     
  3. rtroha

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    Since the answer varies by what state you are in, we can't answer your question until you tell us.
     
  4. ravonaf

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    Aren't against the law and against school rules 2 different things? Maybe it's a state thing but I thought the federal law against firearms where on government run schools. A private college has every right to make their own gun rules but it may not be against the law. My point being, if that is the case most schools are all different and keeping a weapon locked in a car in the parking lot may be a rule that's different from school to school.
     
  5. tyler500e

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    This would be in Kansas.
     
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    I believe that state colleges fall under the school jurisdiction and you can't carry there. I don't live in kansas though.

    IANAL
     
  7. 22lr

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    In Indiana as soon as you get out of your car you have legally brought a gun into a gun free zone and have committed a felony. Dont do it as no excuse will hold any water. Even if the gun is completely broken down and locked you could still be arrested for a felony. It isn't worth it. Get a good knife and be done with it, but that's all your going to get away with.
     
  8. razorback2003

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    Check Kansas Law

    You could or could not be legal having it in your car or even on your person. I can legally have a handgun in my car in TN for the most part on school grounds. I can always have one loaded in my car in Mississippi, with or without my TN permit. I can walk across Univ of Alabama, inside the buildings, or go to a game with a handgun and break no law in Alabama, as long as I have my TN permit. See how funny each state is different? It is best to check your state's penal code and the ones you travel to see what is legal and what is not.
     
  9. CAPTAIN MIKE

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    Pay a Courtesy Call on Campus Security

    Here's what I did. I went to campus security and asked for the chief. Had a nice down-home conversation, very polite with Yes Sir thrown in. I said that I'm not carrying right now but that I have a CCW permit and normally carry. I said that I'd like permission in writing to carry and that I felt uncomfortable about leaving my sidearm (I never call it a g..g..g..g..g..gun) in the vehicle where it might be stolen.

    The chief was very nice, and wrote me a 'Waiver and Permission' letter, signed it and asked me to keep it with my CCW permit while on campus. That was that.
     
  10. Dr. Fresh

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    State-run schools do not fall under Federal regulation. In my state, for example (WA) it is totally legal to carry on a college campus. Of course, this will get you expelled/kicked off.
     
  11. tmaca

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    Depends on 2 things. Private school or state run school? And what do your specific state's laws say? Owners (or the people in charge) of private property can always forbid firearms however they want. Most states even say in their laws that a CCW permit is not valid for private property where firearms are forbidden.

    If it's a state school, it depends on the state. Some states allow state owned and run colleges and universities to forbid or restrict firearms, some do not. For example, The Uiversity of Utah, in Salt Lake City, has been trying for some time to forbid firearms, but the state Attorney General insists they have to obey the laws just like any other public place, including respecting CCW permits.

    As for leaving it in a car, again states differ. Florida until recently had a law flatly forbidding leaving a firearm in a locked vehicle. Utah, on the other hand, allows even non-CCW permit holders to have unloaded firearms in vehicles, although handguns must be in a locked container or compartment and may not have any ammo locked in the same place.

    Bottom line, it depends on your state's laws, except for private schools, where they can do just about whatever they want with firearms. Check campus security, if they say you truly cannot carry, or cannot leave it locked in the car, ask them politely for the specific references to the state law that governs it, and make sure they're giving you accurate information..
     
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  12. pathman

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    you're an EMT - you should know plenty of police. Ask them - they'll let you know.
    In addition you can check with your school's legal aid department.

    From what I can tell, according to Kansas criminal code 21-4204. "Criminal possession of a firearm"

    (a) Criminal possession of a firearm is:
    (5) possession of any firearm by any person,
    other than a law enforcement officer, in or on
    any school property or grounds upon which is located
    a building or structure used by a unified
    school district or an accredited nonpublic school
    for student instruction or attendance or extracurricular
    activities of pupils enrolled in kindergarten
    or any of the grades 1 through 12 or at any regularly
    scheduled school sponsored activity or
    event; or
    (6) refusal to surrender or immediately remove
    from school property or grounds or at any
    regularly scheduled school sponsored activity or
    event any firearm in the possession of any person,
    other than a law enforcement officer, when
    so requested or directed by any duly authorized
    school employee or any law enforcement officer.
    (b) Subsection (a)(5) shall not apply to:
    (1) Possession of any firearm in connection
    with a firearms safety course of instruction or
    firearms education course approved and authorized
    by the school;
    (2) any possession of any firearm specifically
    authorized in writing by the superintendent of
    any unified school district or the chief administrator
    of any accredited nonpublic school;
    (3) possession of a firearm secured in a motor
    vehicle by a parent, guardian, custodian or
    someone authorized to act in such person's behalf
    who is delivering or collecting a student; or
    (4) possession of a firearm secured in a motor
    vehicle by a registered voter who is on the
    school grounds, which contain a polling place for
    the purpose of voting during polling hours on an
    election day.

    I can't really find anything about Universities specifically so i'm not sure
    North Carolina (where I live) law specifically mentions universities...

    at any rate, here's the link:
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaws/23rdedition/kansas.pdf

    good luck!
     
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  13. solareclipse

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    It is an arrestable offense. Campus rentacops bust people for that here quite often... Really, it is NOT worth it. Even leaving it in your vehicle is technically a violation but why would anyone have the reason to search that?
     
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    No, there is no federal law banning carry in state-owned schools. I carry at WSU all the time.
     
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    That is true. It is legal in WA, although you will be expelled if anyone finds out. There is no federal law banning it, but state laws vary and it may or may not be illegal in Kansas.
     
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