CC "badge"... Could you get in trouble with it

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  1. John4me05

    John4me05 Member

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    I was thumbing through a magazine a week or so back while i was in the "library" :D... I saw a ad for a badge you can purchase that states your a CC permit holder... Could it be possible you could be in "trouble" if you presented a fake badge to a LEO... I know it just states CC permit holder but i felt uneasy when i read it about having that in my wallet or pants pocket at possible ramifications if it was saw or perceived in a different light than what its truely for... Any LEOs out there that can weigh in on this
     
  2. geekWithA.45

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    If you use search on "ccw badge", you'll find that the general consensus of this board seems to be that CCW badges are a bad idea, for a fairly long list of reasons.

    Nothing says "strange ranger", "mall ninja" or "cop wannabe" than a real gun and a fake badge.
     
  3. LTB15J

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    no different than the CCW paper you carry in your pocket. attracts less attention too, and creates less assumptions.

    (as a CCW user you should remain fairly discreet anyways)


    as far as legalities; i dont think it would be considered illegal, as long as you are legitimate in the cause. i see PI's and mall security wearing them for their duty. so really theres nothing stopping you; from lets say, becoming a poop farmer and wearing a poop farming badge on your shirt. just as an example though
     
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    The only person you'd be showing the badge to is also the same person you should be showing your CCW permit to. Skip the badge.
     
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    I don't about the trouble, but it will most certainly get you laughed at.... at least by me. YMMV.
     
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    Leave the badge, take the canoli...
     
  7. Robert Hairless

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    In one of his videos Jim Cirillo recommended carrying a police ID folder with one of those badges. Then, in case of an incident, one could hold it up to signal the responding officers that the permit holder was a good guy.

    I think his point was that it might give a lifesaving first impression to nervous officers approaching an unknown situation.

    From a lesser source I'd be inclined to brush off the idea. But because the source was Jim Cirillo I think it might be worth discussing. I'd be interested in what others think.
     
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    re the Cirillo advice, Robert--

    I'd never considered that factor--but in the scenarios I've played out, I'd imagined having my cell phone glued to my ear, in contact with 911. I'd be telling them my description as to who the good guy is....

    Which, when you think about it, is nowhere near as good as Cirillo's advice: No intermediary / tales-told-round-the-campfire-game but an immediate cue that might save your life.

    Like others, I've considered CCW badges to be part of a wannabe syndrome. I might rethink this--

    Jim H.
     
  9. Trebor

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    I've still got my old Safety Patrol badge from grade school. I think it would be just as effective.
     
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    So i was with the majority in thinking this was a bad idea.. Thanks
     
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    That sums it up really well.

    Some people may try to show the badge to someone they should have covered with the muzzle of their gun instead, in some sort of "citizens arrest" situation.

    That makes as much sense as waving your permit at someone.
     
  12. takhtakaal

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    FWIW, I've been licensed since '85, and Cirillo's point about the black ID folder is well made. Before issuing authorities here decided to go to credit-card sized credentials, I carried mine in a black pleather windowed holder from Safariland. No silly cut-out for something I didn't have, either, and yes, it's probably a discontinued item.
     
  13. redneckrepairs

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    I for one wont be raising my hands with anything shiny in them when the calvary arrives . Officers responding to a " shots fired , man down " call can be a bit short fused when they arrive.
     
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    I don't normally comment on these because I don't like embarassing people but give it a moment of thought.

    A badge is issued by a government agency as a sign of trust offered by the agency to their agent/ officer to be easily identified by the public. The badge in of itself is meaningless, it is the people that are behind the agency that issued the badge and offered that position authority that mean anything at all. Not having a badge won't suddenly make say a customs agent not an agent, any more than someone who buys one at a gun show will suddenly become a customs agent by possesing one.
     
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    So having a CCW "badge" only means something to you, and is meaningless to anyone else.
     
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    This is one area where I think there could well be problems in court. Not that a badge would make an otherwise justified shooting illegal, but if there were questions about what took place evidence that you went around wearing a badge is likely to make the jury suspect you of being the v-word or at least a nutcase. Just as most THR members think it's a stupid idea, it could sway even an otherwise friendly jury against you. It also implies that there's some quasi-peace officer status that comes with a CCW permit. There is not, and thinking there is can get you in serious trouble. Also, concealed means concealed.

    WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN'
     
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    BAD idea.

    As a former cop, if I saw someone waving a "badge" at me during an incident, and then once things were settle down discovered it was some freaking Crackerjack "concealed carry badge," I would be anything but friendly to the person who waved it at me.

    Why?

    Because I just trusted someone I THOUGHT was a fellow cop who I later learned WASN'T. Now I'm going to look at everyone else's badge a lot harder and closer--in other words, not going to be as trusting with other badges even though they may belong to legitimate cops.

    Cirillo is WAY off the mark on this one.

    A CCW is a permit--you don't need a badge when you have a permit in your pocket. Meaningless badges smack of wannabes and posers, both of whom most cops despise. Don't make things harder for yourself with some tinfoil "badge" that has zero worth.

    Jeff
     
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    If the good guys arrive your best bet is to put your weapon down and step away so they don't see you as a threat instead of waving something around in the air while you hold a weapon in your hand.
     
  19. lance22

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    DON'T BUY THE BADGE unless it comes with mirror shades, a uniform, handle-bar mustache, and a Village People CD. But if it does, I say 'go for it' and start hittin' the clubs down on First Ave.
     
  20. takhtakaal

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    If I'm not mistaken, I think that Cirillo's point was finding a way to survive the arrival of a dozen or so adrenaline-jacked hard chargers, pistols in hand. It wasn't about not managing to PO the po-po immediately afterwards by not being what they might have thought that you were. I think we realize the damage that can be done to one's trust factor in the future thereafter, but the trade-off in this case is not getting aerated with extreme prejudice.
     
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    Which is a good reason for holsters that allow easy reholstering. You can't safely ground a weapon in each and every circumstance.
     
  22. highorder

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    under those circumstances, I would buy the badge.
     
  23. F4GIB

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    A badge beats a wallet every day.
    Cirillo was a NYPD officer. Cirillo's object is to live long enough to get your permit out of your wallet.

    Have you all forgotten Amadou Diallo ???
     
  24. coloradokevin

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    Well said, sir.

    I have the same opinion on this subject, and won't be very happy if I come to one of these incidents and some idiot is waving a badge around as if he is an officer.

    The badge implies authority, and used together with a gun, I think the argument for someone being a "police impersonator" is just that much higher.

    The most important consideration in a CCW confrontation against a subject as the police arrive is YOUR actions.

    1) Tell dispatch you are legally carrying a weapon and have a party "at gun point"

    2) Describe your clothing.

    3) Listen carefully to commands by officers. Respond slowly but deliberately. If you are told to place the weapon on the ground, do so.

    4) ABSOLUTELY DO NOT turn towards any officers with the weapon.


    A couple of years ago we had some guy with a CCW permit who ran into some trouble by "badging" someone with the permit, and acting as if he was lawfully performing the duties of an officer. Can't recall what happened with the case, or if charges were ever actually placed by the DA, but it sure didn't help that Colorado doesn't issue CCW "badges".
     
  25. John4me05

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    Just for the record of lower posting i wasnt going to purchase it and stated in my OP
    I was looking for confirmation from others and LEOs that my feelings were warranted or correction to bestow on me the knowledge that it could have been a good idea

    I received the reaction that i had to it as well..
     
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