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  1. Good Ol' Boy

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    For those of you that CC, how many of you that have been stopped informed the LE that you were carrying? Do you advise this or not?

    Upon my new found education I've come to find that even some "permit free" states require you to inform an officer during a stop.

    So, do you offer up that info voluntarily? Do you go by what your state says? Or do you not give up any info regardless?
     
  2. M-Cameron

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    unless required by law, or the officer specifically asks....i do not inform the officer.

    if my firearm is not the issue for the stop, why bother bringing it up? ......im not breaking the law....and i dont benefit at all by informing him......
     
  3. Red Wind

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    10 states require that you notify the LEO upon official contact. Those states are Alaska,Arkansas,Louisiana, Michigan,North Carolina, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas.

    Since I have never been stopped in any of those 10 states, there is no experience to relate.
    If I do get stopped in the future in one of the 10, I'll comply with the law and notify the Officer post haste! :D

    So far in 49 states, since getting a Florida CCW permit in 1987, I have been stopped twice. In New Mexico and Virginia. The officer's asked no firearm related questions and I offered no information.

    That is the way it will always be.
     
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    Colorado does not require disclosure unless asked. If by going for my identification/registration, etc, I am reaching anywhere near my CC, I inform. Otherwise, no.
    I haven't had a gun rack on my truck for 30+ years but I live in semi-rural Colorado and as often as not the sheriffs and troopers out here assume everyone is carrying and ask first thing.
    When I travel out of state, I inform unless I'm very sure the laws there don't require it.
     
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    You forgot Maine.

     
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    I got stopped tonight...tail light out. Officer didn't ask, I didn't offer. Every thing went well.

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    Be aware that some states tie your CCW permit to your driver's license and then to your vehicle license. When you are stopped in states where they do this, they already know that you are likely carrying a weapon before they approach you. If you are required to inform, best to keep this in mind.
    Also, some states share this information unofficially without being open about it.
     
  8. Red Wind

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    That is if the person does not have a valid CCP as we see. If they do they don't have to notify. Since Maine has just become permit less the State added the Notify the LEO provision for those who are carrying without the permit.

    That part is new. So the answer for Maine is Yes and NO dependent on the license or no license factor.

    So, we'll call it 10 and a half now! :D

    See: http://handgunlaw.us/states/maine.pdf
     
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    Don`t answer questions that are not ask unless it is required by law.
     
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    As a reminder, THR does not condone breaking any law and will not tolerate the advocation of such action.
     
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    I've been stopped twice and handed the officer my CCL along with license and registration each time. They thanked me for notifying them, they asked me where my firearm was, I told them. They asked me not to touch it.

    They wrote their tickets and when they were done I went on my way.

    I keep my registration and insurance attached to the visor. When I get pulled over I turn the light on in the interior of my car. I make it really easy for the officer to see that the only thing I'm doing is getting paperwork from the visor.
     
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    Good idea.

    Trust me, officers like knowing ahead of time if there is a firearm in play instead of discovering it later in the meeting. Some officers get down right hostile when they find a gun later in an interview. Professional or not, that's the way it plays some times. I personally don't structure my life plans on hoping the people I meet all act professionally and reasonably.
     
  13. Sam1911

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    Of course I follow the law of what ever state I'm in scrupulously.

    If not required to inform, I do not bring that subject up.

    If by some strange chance the stop goes very weird and I'm going to have to get out of the car, and/or it seems there is a heightened likelihood that the officer would discover my sidearm, I would inform him calmly and politely before that happens.

    While I've had very pleasant chats with officers about my carry guns -- including a 15 minute sit-on-the-fender and talk about gun shops conversation with one of my local guys -- and I've not received a ticket in an instance where perhaps my carry permit had some small bit to do with the officer's attitude toward me -- I have VERY good reasons for not wanting to introduce the subject.

    There's a small possible benefit in informing. There are LARGE and unpleasant results which sometimes come of informing. So I don't unless I have to.
     
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    I'm going to be snarky and say that if you are obeying the law you will have much less chance of being stopped. Then no problem.
     
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    I guess times must have changed. When I worked the street I always assumed the person I was interacting with was armed until I determined they were not a threat.

    Since Kansas does not require notifying a LEO and no longer requires a permit to conceal carry I see no reason to open this can of worms. However when we drive down to Texas I am aware of my duty to inform in Oklahoma and Texas.
     
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    There is a rather notorious speed trap in my town. It is at the bottom of a steep hill. Posted speed limit is 40. Officers have pulled over and ticketed people for going 41. Even if you think you are obeying the law 100%, you aren't.

    I do not inform unless I feel I need to. Which has only been once. My state is not a state that requires firearm disclosure by law. The only instance where I informed an officer was at night. A local prison had some escapees and officers were on edge. I didn't want to reach for my registration only to be shot by some panicked small town police officer for seeing my firearm. So I let him know it was there before hand.

    My wife on the other hand tells the officer where every firearm is, even mine, during stops. We stopped at a DUI checkpoint and she spouted off "I am armed and so is he! My gun is in the purse and his on the hip." She isn't exactly subtle.
     
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    I used to debate this topic all over the Internet and I don't think I ever changed a single person's mind.

    What generally happens is someone has a run in with a bad cop and decides they'll never make that mistake again.

    I was pulled over by a State Trooper who went off on me because I didn't inform him(no legal requirement)I was armed. A few months later I read in the paper that he murdered his wife and killed himself in a domestic violence incident. You have no way of knowing what kind of person the cop you're interacting with is.

    I really don't care if it makes the cop's life easier or that it makes him more comfortable that I automatically inform him I'm armed. It's in my best interests to maintain my boundaries and assert my Rights.

    Consequently I never

    Volunteer information
    Answer any question I'm not legally required to answer
    Consent to a search.
     
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    My wife would do that once
     
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    I'm in Missouri and live in a small town. I've not been stopped for any driving infractions, but have had several interactions of a semi official nature. Once where I was in a fender bender and informed the officer taking the report. She thanked me for the information and that was it.

    Second occasion was where I was a witness to an accident and had called it in. When the deputy arrived I informed him I was carrying. Clapped me on the shoulder and said thanks.

    I love small towns.

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  20. Plan2Live

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    Doubleh nailed it. We do encourage avoidance around here, don't we? Reading the last thread I saw on this topic not so long ago I was blown away by the number of people proudly proclaiming "I have a lead foot". To which, I ask why? I used to endure a 34 mile commute and had a lot of lead footed drivers pass me only to catch up to them at the second or third light.

    I live in SC and we are required to notify. I've only done this once, at a "Saftey Checkpoint" one evening. Interior lights come on well in advance, insurance and registration on the visor, wallet out of my pocket well in advance and sitting on the dashboard, window down well in advance, hands at 10 and 2 until told to produce license & registration. Handed him my drivers license and CWP and said I am a CWP holder and I have "IT" with me. He asked where "IT" was, I told him, he handed me back my DL & CWP and said okay leave "IT" there. Walk around proved pointless he thanked me and put me on my way.

    I think notification is a common sense requirement.
     
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    I'm a Police Officer. I've been stopped, maybe, three times in 15 years. I always start with "I'm a Police Officer, I'm carrying a weapon, what would you like me to do?"
    There's no rule or law that in any way says I have to declare I'm carrying a weapon. But, starting out with the idea "Officer, you are in charge of this meeting, how shall we proceed?" Seems like a good idea.

    We have to remember that off duty. If we are in the middle of something off duty, we cede all authority to the first uniform that shows up. Including the possibility of dropping the heirloom off duty gun on the pavement if so requested.

    Realistically, if its a minor traffic offense, I'm probably not going to get a ticket. But, I don't always know why I'm getting stopped. Was it the 9 over or, does my car match the description of a drive by shooter?

    If rather get it out of the way.

    I think it depends alot on where you live. In Texas, chances are if you tell them you have a LTC, you'll get a "good for you bud, slow down a little , K?"

    Or, the cops a jerk. The guys that work with him probably don't like him either if that makes you feel better.
     
  22. basicblur

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    As do I.
    I keep it simple (and safe) by uttering not one word (especially GUN).
    I simply:
    1. Reach in my wallet, pull both my DL and CHP (which I keep behind my DL).
    2. Place my CHP on top of my DL, and hand both the the occifer.
    3. Keep my mouth shut!
    4. Wait until the nice officer has digested what he / she's looking at and let's me know how they want to proceed.

    No muss, no fuss, no confusion should someone hear the word GUN (as in "Officer, I'm carrying a GUN").

    All so far have thanked me for notifying - I also take the opportunity to inform them that until I run across "that cop" that goes off on me for thinking I need a CHP, I'll continue to do so (maybe it will get back to "those cops" and provide a learning experience for all).

    I also live on the border and often travel just across the line.
    VA does not require notification, but NC does.
    Just to make sure I'm consistent (and don't forget where I am), I always notify.

    It may be time both you and your wife rethought the subtleties involved in notifying LE you're carrying!?

    Wouldn't want any "misunderstandings" on the side of the road now, would we?
     
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    Alabama law also requires notification.


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  24. Good Ol' Boy

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    I know no one listens to this old fart but...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s


    I've always been told to do it this way but I've always been in a permit state. If you're in a permitless state that also doesn't require you to inform, it seems it would be more risky. Just in the fact that you could have a veteran on your approach and a rookie around your blindside and the word gun is mentioned and things get hectic. In that sense I like the idea of being able to hand a LEO a card with my DL not having to say a word initially. I'd really like to know what VERY good reasons "some" have alluded to for not being upfront. Maybe it's just cause I'm Caucasian that I'm not worried, or maybe it's because I have some common sense and courteousness towards LEO's.

    People carry firearms for defense. I can't speak for others but I've never felt the need to administer force around LEO's, traffic stop or otherwise.

    I really wouldn't want to end up like this guy 'just because I can'...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijBNqUUlJc
     
  25. Red Wind

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    Per http://handgunlaw.us/states/alabama.pdf

    There is no need to inform the LEO by law in Alabama as long as your carry permit is in your psychical possession.
     
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