CCI Large Magnum Primers for 45 Long Colt

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  1. Regal Blue

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    I bought some CCI 350 Large Magnum Primers by mistake. Wanted CCI 300.
    I have 400 primers. I want to use these in a Ruger Blackhawk .45 long colt.
    Can you safely use CCI 350's for this?
    IF so, which powder. I have Accurate #5, HP38, but see H110 listed in Hogden Magazine.

    Please advise. Just cutting paper. Bullets will probably be 225 - 250 grain jacketed or unjacketed lead
     
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  2. Hartkopf

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    I accidentally loaded up a bunch of 44 Specials with CCI magnum primers. Shooting out of a magnum revolver, couldn't tell any difference, though I did not crhono. I was also just punching paper.

    This comes up a lot and usually you just work up new loads and start at the minimum.
     
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    I'd back off the powder some and work another load up with the mag primers. If you have a chronograph that'll help with testing.
     
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    AA-5 and W231/HP38 are good target powders in the .45LC and magnum primers will work well with them - just reduce the charge about 5% before working back up. However, H110/W296 is not appropriate for reduced loads, particularly in the big .45 case. Don’t ask me how I know this. High velocity heavy bullets loads are more appropriate for that powder.






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  5. Regal Blue

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    Thank you, all.... you are gentlemen and scholars..I will proceed de-cappping, cleaning and re-prime with the CCI 350s....now I wish I had not sold half of them...
     
  6. Mark_Mark

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    never sell your primers! the are the new Bitcoin

    btw: Gentlemen is a far stretch and Scholars here are illiterate, (thank you internet spell chech)
     
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  7. ArchAngelCD

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    I agree, AA#5 or HP-38 will deliver good 45 Colt ammo. The magnum primers will do no harm. As a matter of fact many reloaders like a magnum primer when using a ball powder and those 2 powders are ball powders.

    I use to use nothing but W231/HP-38 in the 45 Colt and I used plenty of AA#2 and AA#5. Now I'm using HS-6 and I'm surprised how well it shoots being a slower powder. You should be just fine.

    Here is a hint, try 7.0gr HP-38 under a 250gr cast bullet. I think you will like that load.
     
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  8. .38 Special

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    I have rarely seen any respectable manufacturer advise against Magnum primers for any particular load and have never personally experienced any negative repercussions from using them.

    I personally am comfortable using them interchangeably with any handgun data calling for standard primers - although I rarely if ever use "maximum" loading data any more.
     
  9. Regal Blue

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    I have found some Winchester 296 ball powder on Midway USA. Thinking about bringing it in and keep the loads at the minimum to mid-range loads...on top of the magnum primers.
     
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  11. EricBu

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    They'll be fine. Especially in that gun, as the only real issue is that the cups are harder and some striker pistols may not punch them...but I"ve not seen a hammer gun yet that had an issue. Personally, I'd go with the HP38 or AA#5, unless you want to go with Ruger only loads. In my opinion, H110 is about the worst powder you can use for 45 Colt, because of the large case capacity, by the time you get enough case fill for H110 to become really consistent, you are way up there pressure wise. Both HP38 and AA5 will work better, with a nod towards the HP38.
     
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    296 IS H110....same powder. Really, you'll be much happier sticking with your HP38 and AA5. If you want something else, try AA2, HS-6, or TiteGroup.
     
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    unique is the best powder for your application, imo. i'd keep a lookout for a pound or two.

    you have a blackhawk and can shoot most any load listed in a reloading manual. as for all loading, start low and work up.

    luck,

    murf
     
  14. Regal Blue

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    Yeah, I would pay almost the cost of a pound of 296 in shipping and Hazmat fees if I bought from Midway. Local shop has accurate 9. Saving $25.00 Probably go with AA#9 or stick with AA#5 or HP38...
     
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    I’ve loaded a boatload of .45 Colt, but as the guys said not with WW296/H-110. (My old Vaquero and SRH in .454 can handle them, but I’m not into Magnumizing a pleasant round.) Unique, HP-38, AA#5, Promo, etc. are my propellants of choice for the old warhorse. :)

    Stay safe.
     
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    Don't bother buying AA#9 for the 45 Colt because AA#9 is also a slower magnum class powder. I would stick with AA#5 or HP-38 like you said.
     
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    I would suggest Power Pistol. 9.0 grains under a 250/255 grain RNFP is a very nice load and comparable to 8.5 grains of Unique. Be careful to not double charge the case if you are using Win231/HP-38.
     
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    The only issue I’ve had using CCI magnum LPP in 45 Colt is my Marlin rifle will take two hammer strikes to set them off-no issue in the revolver.
     
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    Well said! Must be one of the scholars:)
     
  20. Hartkopf

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    If you ever do try Win296/H110, it is advised not to go below minimum starting loads. I'm only repeating what I've read but I believe those powders are not stable at too lite of a load. They are fire breathers only and if you want less, find a different powder.:) Good luck.
     
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  21. Regal Blue

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    If I go the H110 / 296 powder way, I would start minimum load and problem stay mid range. I am looking for a little more "punch" than Unique, HP38/231 velocities show in Hodgdon Magazine. I don't want to
    magnum my .45 colt, just nudge abit.
     
  22. Regal Blue

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    What are thoughts on IMR 4227 or H4227 = each other?
     
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    “deleted” lol
     
  24. Hartkopf

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    I really like 4227 for 44Mag and Spec. I don't know the load data on 45LC but I bet it would be great. In 44 Magnum it's forgiving and so bulky it fills the case, sometimes completely. It's not the cleanest powder in the world but I like it for it's wide range and stability.
     
  25. Regal Blue

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    HartKopf is it safe to presume H4227 and IMR 4227 are the same properties like H110 - 296..Since owned by Hodgdon
     
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