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CCL/LTC, For Armed Body guards and reciprocity...

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  1. Texasgrillchef

    Texasgrillchef Member

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    After looking at various different legitimate websites that give information for each states LTC permitting guidelines/rules/laws and their reciprocity with other states I have been left with some questions that I could use some guidance on. At this point this is just a fact finding educational mission. Nothing should be assumed on future acts or desires for any future of acts of any kind.

    These questions are for a Individual, and NOT someone who is currently employed or a retired LEO, or of the US Armed Forces.

    As most of us know there are some states that will not recognize a LTC from any state other then their own. Other states that will recognize some LTC’s from some states and not from others. There are states that will issue non-resident LTC’s and others that will not issue non-resident LTC’s with out some exceptions.

    Example... I being a Texas resident with my Texas LTC could obtain a non-resident Utah LTC. Even though Utah recognizes My Texas LTC, Washington state will not recognize my Texas LTC, but would recognize my non-resident Utah LTC. Illinois won’t recognize my TX LTC except in the application process to get an Illinois LTC. Once I obtain an Illinois LTC, then Minnesota will recognize IL, but not Texas. However, without much difficulty, which is close to impossible. It wouldn’t be possible to get a Minnesota LTC. Easier to get a Illinois, since MN recognizes IL.

    CT doesn’t recognize Texas either, but it isn’t to difficult to get one. Just received my CT LTC last week. Utah and Illinois are currently being processed along with Maine, and New Hampshire. Even though Maine and NH are permit less carry states, they also don’t recognize TX. So CYA is best.

    RI, MD, NJ, NY, MA it’s almost impossible to get a non-resident LTC without proving NEED. Which isn’t easy for the average person to do.

    Which has led me to my question.... Private Security in the form of Armed body guards.
    Many people such as celebrities and even those who aren’t need or wish to travel with Private Armed Security Guards.

    How do these people manage to get their LTC to provide protection of their client in these various states?

    Oregan for instance won’t issue a non-resident LTC unless your a resident of a boarding state. New Mexico won’t issue a non-resident LTC at all, however they will recognize the majority of states LTC’s such as Texas.

    So how do Private Armed body guards, or even companies that have their own armed body guards get around this? How do Armed body guards continue to provide service for their clients when they Travel to those states where they have no reciprocity with other states, and non-resident LTC’s isn’t either available, or you have to provide good cause?

    I know in Texas though you have to have special training and be licensed to be an Armed body guard. But that’s in Texas & That still doesn’t authorize you to carry a weapon, you still have to get a Texas LTC.

    I am NOT suggesting I become an Armed body guard, or that I would hire one. This is simply a question of how they do it.

    I see where a person who is a retired LEO becoming a Armed body guard would be a lot easier then any private individual, as many states that would be impossible for the average private citizen to get a LTC, is much much easier for a former LEO or even former Armed forces person.
     
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  2. ilbob

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    Most states you can't work as an armed bodyguard or any kind of other armed guard unless you work for a security contractor or private detective. it doesn't do you any good to have a license to carry from any state including the one that you live in or want to work in.
     
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    Yeah. In NY you CAN work as armed security if you’re licensed but it’s a really bad idea because there’s no group that would prove insurance and no lawyers that would take your side.

    The vast majority of armed guards in my state work for a company or an agency that contracts them out. That agency carries insurance and liability etc. If they’re a company that operates across states they tend to hire armed guards within that state. If they have armed deliveries to make across state line I’d imagine (I don’t know for sure) there’s a trade/switch at the border OR the agency carried a license to operate in those states and while working the guards can carry in those states.
     
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    The feds have some kind of jurisdiction over armed guards who drive the vehicles that deliver cash across state lines so the states are forced into some kind of de facto reciprocity for them.

    Same thing with the armed guards that protect nuclear facilities.

    It is a goofy arrangement.
     
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  5. daniel craig

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    I always thought that feds just contracted out to well known “not Fed” groups for that kind of thing like they did for contractors overseas.
     
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    I’ve seen job postings for a Security Guards at the local nuclear plants. The utility who owns them used to hire an agency, but some difficulty arose and they hire their own employees for it now. I imagine it has to be pretty boring.
     
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    I briefly worked for a large, international security firm. They require armed guards to follow their state licensing boards for carry permits and any guard licensing. Even with the proper credentials, I was not allowed to be armed on certain work sites such as schools or courthouses.
     
  8. Frank Ettin

    Frank Ettin Moderator Staff Member

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    The OP wants a law review article. His question goes far beyond anything that can reasonably answered authoritatively here.
     
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