CCW as President of USA?
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MrAcheson
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Frankly, if a president has a gun its not like he's going to be able to use it. The president already has heavily armed 24-7 security. If something happens, its their job to get the president the "f" out of there. No discussion, no nothing. If someone yells "gun" the president is flung into the nearest bulletproof vehicle and escorted to safety.
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We had this same basic thread here a year ago or so(or maybe it was two years ago on TFL?). We seemed to have established that Reagan carried sporadically, as did Bush 1, Teddy Roosevelt carried regularly and the list of 19th century presidents who went armed pretty well encompassed all of them.
As for what presidential security would "allow", while they may man-handle the POTUS any way they like if lead is flying, do you really think they are going to physically disarm him if he says "Sorry boys, I feel like being armed today"? I'd hate to be trying to explain THOSE reasons for termination to my next potential employer...
As for what presidential security would "allow", while they may man-handle the POTUS any way they like if lead is flying, do you really think they are going to physically disarm him if he says "Sorry boys, I feel like being armed today"? I'd hate to be trying to explain THOSE reasons for termination to my next potential employer...
Anyone know of other world leaders who did or do carry? Also lets have some suggestions for what you would carry if you were President. I would probably carry an HK USP 45 compact. Also if they don't carry a gun what about a big knife? Could be a nasty surprise for an assassin, even if you had to throw it. Oh and remember the movie Air Force One? Even with lots of security, leaders of any country have a dangerous job. One extra layer of security is a good idea.
tiberius
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Just curious, Who works for whom here? Isn't treasury part of the executive branch? Therefore the POTUS is the ultimate head of the SS right?
tiberius
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Sorry, but if your an elected American president you've gotta drive an American car and carry an American gun.
I'd carry my LW Officer's ACP... or commision a nicer one to made
grnzbra
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Drjones,
If you want to see that pic, you'll have to check out the NY Daily news arcihives from 20 or 30 years ago. But it really was no big deal; he had diplomatic immunity.
A few years prior to that, Castro came to address the UN and he and his people literally camped out in one of the hotels, cooking chickens over open fires in the hotel (don't remember the mechanics of having an open fire in a hotel, but that's the way it was reported at the time). Anyway, some of his boys got into a firefight in the hotel lobby and a little girl was killed in the crossfire. Nothing could be done about it because they all had diplomatic immunity.
If you want to see that pic, you'll have to check out the NY Daily news arcihives from 20 or 30 years ago. But it really was no big deal; he had diplomatic immunity.
A few years prior to that, Castro came to address the UN and he and his people literally camped out in one of the hotels, cooking chickens over open fires in the hotel (don't remember the mechanics of having an open fire in a hotel, but that's the way it was reported at the time). Anyway, some of his boys got into a firefight in the hotel lobby and a little girl was killed in the crossfire. Nothing could be done about it because they all had diplomatic immunity.
geekWithA.45
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We should have crammed their diplomatic passports up their a__, kicked them repeatedly in the b__s, stuffed them on an innertube back to Cuba, an chummed the waters for good measure.
MrAcheson
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It is my understanding that while the President's SS detail may technically be under his control via the chain of command, the fact of the matter is that there are things the president cannot do. For instance he is flat out not allowed to go without security. He cannot tell them to take a hike or order them not to protect him. There are probably other things regarding his security that he does not have control over.
clubsoda22
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wonder if dubya has grips to match his cowboy boots.
WonderNine
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Bush Sr. that signed the 89' ban?
Sam Adams
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If I were the President, I'd carry an American-made .45.
I'd also do everything that I could to make sure that as many of my constituents had the ability to similarly exercise that right.
As to the Secret Service "allowing" a President to do something - they DO work for him, after all. Their advice is taken very seriously, but it isn't the word of G-d burned into 2 stone tablets - HE'S THE BOSS! The SS has gotten the cold sweats on any number of occasions when Presidents have decided to wade into a crowd or to take a drive (like when Brezhnev took Nixon for a very fast and dangerous ride at Camp David once), but these guys have all done these things anyway.
I'd do lots of the same, and I'd also be very public about going to the range at least once a month with not only the .45, but with many other guns (preferably the types and models that give Ma$$holes like Fat Ted apoplexy). It wouldn't make the job of the SS any easier, but you have to live. I don't want to be like former NJ guv Brendan Byrne, who had to re-learn how to drive after many years of never having gotten behind the wheel of a car.
I'd also do everything that I could to make sure that as many of my constituents had the ability to similarly exercise that right.
As to the Secret Service "allowing" a President to do something - they DO work for him, after all. Their advice is taken very seriously, but it isn't the word of G-d burned into 2 stone tablets - HE'S THE BOSS! The SS has gotten the cold sweats on any number of occasions when Presidents have decided to wade into a crowd or to take a drive (like when Brezhnev took Nixon for a very fast and dangerous ride at Camp David once), but these guys have all done these things anyway.
I'd do lots of the same, and I'd also be very public about going to the range at least once a month with not only the .45, but with many other guns (preferably the types and models that give Ma$$holes like Fat Ted apoplexy). It wouldn't make the job of the SS any easier, but you have to live. I don't want to be like former NJ guv Brendan Byrne, who had to re-learn how to drive after many years of never having gotten behind the wheel of a car.
Aikibiker
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I would probably be Secret Service's worst nightmare if I were somehow unlucky enough to be elected President.
Between the guns, punching out world leaders that desperately need it, and trading in the presidential limo for a Harley chopper with a 100cu in engine and nitrous, they would probably have all gone bald from worry by the time I got myself impeached.
Between the guns, punching out world leaders that desperately need it, and trading in the presidential limo for a Harley chopper with a 100cu in engine and nitrous, they would probably have all gone bald from worry by the time I got myself impeached.
MrAcheson
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Great just don't come to mine. The SS wouldn't allow a soul near that range when the president is shooting.
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It is my understanding that while the President's SS detail may technically be under his control via the chain of command, the fact of the matter is that there are things the president cannot do.
Can't argue the abstract of that. My point was simply regardless of what he is or isn't "allowed" to do, if he actually does it what would they do about it? Physically disarming him in a non-crisis situation might be "appropriate" according to the "rules" but in practical application...? Personally I'd pay to see it, regardless of the party of the president in question, just for the "cub bear" quotient of the whole thing.
Can't argue the abstract of that. My point was simply regardless of what he is or isn't "allowed" to do, if he actually does it what would they do about it? Physically disarming him in a non-crisis situation might be "appropriate" according to the "rules" but in practical application...?
Personally I'd pay to see it, regardless of the party of the president in question, just for the "cub bear" quotient of the whole thing.If I was president...
I'd make sure that Nation-wide CCW, AWB, full auto restrictions were erased. If by no other means than giving a pre-emtive pardon to all offenders. Might end up signing a daily pardon list...
Each day pardon all people who are arrested/convicted of concealed carry, possesion, sale, or production of 'illegal' weapons or self defense.
I'd make sure that Nation-wide CCW, AWB, full auto restrictions were erased. If by no other means than giving a pre-emtive pardon to all offenders. Might end up signing a daily pardon list...
Each day pardon all people who are arrested/convicted of concealed carry, possesion, sale, or production of 'illegal' weapons or self defense.
I think some of you guys have been watching too many Harrison Ford movies.
I carry a gun for self defense. If I had a massive perimiter with about 500 of the best paid, best equipped, and most motivated trigger pullers on Earth, armed with everything, up to and including Stinger missles and LAWs, surrounding me everywhere I went, why would I need my gun?
Also if the bullets start to fly, my best bet would be to let the nice men in the black coats and ear pieces dog pile on me and shove me into something fast and bullet proof. Having the most important target in the world stand there and plink back with a .45 is pretty silly.
I carry a gun for self defense. If I had a massive perimiter with about 500 of the best paid, best equipped, and most motivated trigger pullers on Earth, armed with everything, up to and including Stinger missles and LAWs, surrounding me everywhere I went, why would I need my gun?
Also if the bullets start to fly, my best bet would be to let the nice men in the black coats and ear pieces dog pile on me and shove me into something fast and bullet proof. Having the most important target in the world stand there and plink back with a .45 is pretty silly.
igor
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IIRC, didn't Arafat make a big, hairy deal out of that he made a huge exception in appearing before the UNGC unarmed? I mean, it was just as much his trademark as Fidel's or Saddam's to always carry.
Or did he just go CCW instead of open carry and get busted ?
Or did he just go CCW instead of open carry and get busted
?grnzbra
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If I remember correctly, he denied that it was a gun, but the paper pointed out that he had DI. No one actually saw the gun, just the bottom end of the holster. (Perhaps he had been watching too many episodes of Mayberry RFD and identified with Goober)
You wouldn't. But why wouldn't you still want it.
You wouldn't. But why wouldn't you still want it.
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Mr. Acheson
Who do you think I am, Clinton? I wouldn't be stalling traffic everywhere to visit rock stars or closing airports to get a $200 haircut like that scumbag, so why in blazes would I want to prevent anyone from shooting? Heck, I'd shoot at military bases, the White House (I'd convert the press room to a range), Camp David or on my own property (by then I might even have some, and build a range on it - with no ammo restrictions, thank you very much).
Nope, when I'm President I'm going to mostly shut down the government by reducing it to its Constitutionally-mandated functions. By the end of my term in office, I hope to be spending at least 6 hours/day surfing various gun boards and other fun things, instead of messing up everyone else's life.
Who do you think I am, Clinton? I wouldn't be stalling traffic everywhere to visit rock stars or closing airports to get a $200 haircut like that scumbag, so why in blazes would I want to prevent anyone from shooting? Heck, I'd shoot at military bases, the White House (I'd convert the press room to a range), Camp David or on my own property (by then I might even have some, and build a range on it - with no ammo restrictions, thank you very much).
Nope, when I'm President I'm going to mostly shut down the government by reducing it to its Constitutionally-mandated functions. By the end of my term in office, I hope to be spending at least 6 hours/day surfing various gun boards and other fun things, instead of messing up everyone else's life.
Brian Dale
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Akibiker,
Wasn't there an ad or a column at some time in the past year or two that mentioned that a GSP - a semi-custom "Gunsite Service Pistol" from Baer, or Wilson, or somebody, was known to be GWB's bedside pistol?
EDIT: looks like the "GSP" is made at Gunsite; they've been made on various frames over the years. See Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 9 No. 10, at http://www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/jeff/jeff9_10.html
Col. Cooper states that he has no way to verify that, but that it makes a good story. It would be fun if he'd started that rumor himself, just to encourage the President to carry one! Carrying would be a good example for the President to set; others have sworn to protect his life, even at the cost of their own. For him to be armed would show, in one more way, that he takes their commitment, their duty and their lives seriously.
Oh, so we're being realistic, eh? In that case, I'll admit that it's probably just as well that I'll never be President. I suppose that my mouth would get us all in trouble.
Wasn't there an ad or a column at some time in the past year or two that mentioned that a GSP - a semi-custom "Gunsite Service Pistol" from Baer, or Wilson, or somebody, was known to be GWB's bedside pistol?
EDIT: looks like the "GSP" is made at Gunsite; they've been made on various frames over the years. See Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 9 No. 10, at http://www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/jeff/jeff9_10.html
Col. Cooper states that he has no way to verify that, but that it makes a good story. It would be fun if he'd started that rumor himself, just to encourage the President to carry one! Carrying would be a good example for the President to set; others have sworn to protect his life, even at the cost of their own. For him to be armed would show, in one more way, that he takes their commitment, their duty and their lives seriously.
Wow I can't believe I remembered this post. Time to resurrect it since a new President and things have changed a bit.
No Hunting jokes about Dick Cheney and his shotgun please. That is such a tired old joke now.
Also learned Eleanor Roosevelt was big in the civil rights activities in the 1950's and 1960's and carried and was quite a good shot with a .38 Smith and Wesson. Good for her!
Now I wouldn't carry a MP5 if I was President. Perhaps a 1911 or Colt Single Action in .357 Magnum loaded with .38 ammo. My thinking is that at the worst after the secret service was taken out only one or two bad guys would still be alive (and probably already very wounded) for me to fight off (while the Marines were still 2 minutes away) if things went FUBAR. Remember the Harrison Ford movie, Air Force One. "Get off my Plane!" Hey it could happen. Look at Jordan with their Black September mess.
I bet you guys $100 there is a pistol in the President's desk or hidden somewhere in the Oval Office. Probably locked with a biometric fingerprint reader or voice analyzer or just a key to open to the President or their spouse. You know they get a bit cautious after a few security briefings by the Secret Service on Assassinations. At least I would if I was President. Think of it as "Cheap Coup Insurance".
No Hunting jokes about Dick Cheney and his shotgun please. That is such a tired old joke now.
Also learned Eleanor Roosevelt was big in the civil rights activities in the 1950's and 1960's and carried and was quite a good shot with a .38 Smith and Wesson. Good for her!
Now I wouldn't carry a MP5 if I was President. Perhaps a 1911 or Colt Single Action in .357 Magnum loaded with .38 ammo. My thinking is that at the worst after the secret service was taken out only one or two bad guys would still be alive (and probably already very wounded) for me to fight off (while the Marines were still 2 minutes away) if things went FUBAR. Remember the Harrison Ford movie, Air Force One. "Get off my Plane!"
Hey it could happen. Look at Jordan with their Black September mess.I bet you guys $100 there is a pistol in the President's desk or hidden somewhere in the Oval Office. Probably locked with a biometric fingerprint reader or voice analyzer or just a key to open to the President or their spouse. You know they get a bit cautious after a few security briefings by the Secret Service on Assassinations. At least I would if I was President. Think of it as "Cheap Coup Insurance".
quote from Smoke - "Only 1% of the TX population carries...at least legally."
may I ask, Sir, where did you get this bit of information from? I've lived in Texas for the past 6 years, and everyone I know carries in some for or fashion, and ALL legally. I have moved around a lot, from Dallas/Ft. Worth, to Austin, to San Antonio, and to the famous WACO place. Everyone I have ever known here, with about a 1-5% exception, carries. And since there is no database with all Texas CCWer's names and addresess for public acquisition, I wonder how anyone can come up with such a number. Just curious as to where you got this piece of information,Sir.
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may I ask, Sir, where did you get this bit of information from? I've lived in Texas for the past 6 years, and everyone I know carries in some for or fashion, and ALL legally. I have moved around a lot, from Dallas/Ft. Worth, to Austin, to San Antonio, and to the famous WACO place. Everyone I have ever known here, with about a 1-5% exception, carries. And since there is no database with all Texas CCWer's names and addresess for public acquisition, I wonder how anyone can come up with such a number. Just curious as to where you got this piece of information,Sir.
Patiently awaiting your response.
toivo
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Zombie thread... But while we're at it, has anyone mentioned the fact that the POTUS is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces? I would imagine that as such he could play with any weapons he wants to.
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