CCW class - scarey!!!

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Loosedhorse said:
This is on the range owner, too. If someone is sweeping people with his muzzle (gun "unloaded" or not), he would leave my premises that day, right then.
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The only people in the lobby that evening were from our CCW class. My intuitive guess is the range owner thought it was on the CCW instructor, the CCW instructor may have thought it was on the range owner. I dunno... just guessing, but surprised that those bad practices continued. I was too busy trying to stay out of his line of fire. I had hoped my comment about going through his wife first would get his attention, but whatever...

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I hope you don't simply "tolerate" such a scene--it is something to be loved and cherished.
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Most assuredly! What the range time said to me is... one guy could shoot the lights out but was careless with his gun. His wife perhaps needed a better choice in gun (or more practice), but was very safety conscious. Guy with the Glock and revolver was a terrific guy who asked a lot of questions and will be a responsible gun owner/user. My comments about his gun jamming was a good natured jab at the Glock frenzies here. No offense meant.
 
I took a Massad Ayoob Mag-20 range course and there was NO screwing around. Period! You kept the gun pointed down range at all times or you were out, no second chance.
 
Took a CHL class last week and while in the classroom before the shooting test a bunch of yahoos were manipulating the actions on their weapons WITH LOADED MAGAZINES. One of the ejected rounds sailed past me. Why the (*#(@! are you playing with a loaded weapon in a classroom full of people?! I moved shortly after.

Also while shooting, this elderly gentleman next to me was firing his 1911. God bless him, but his hands were shaking so bad, he sprayed my target 4 or 5 times. The range officer had to swing by to make sure he didn't sweep the line :(

I am so glad I made it out of the class unscathed. SCARY!
 
It's these sorts of threads that I specifically do NOT mention to my wife. Getting her to become comfortable with guns is hard enough, and telling her to consider everyone else at the line as a potential "shooter" is the last thing I want getting in her head. Not only would it make her scared to every go again, but she'd not want me to go either. At this point, she still thinks that the range is sort of a lala-land Disneylandwhere nothing terrible happens (okay, a bit of an exaguration) and that's fine for now.

(And yes, I realize problems such those above are rare - but it only takes once...)
 
Both times, mine was the least expensive pistol at the range. I think it would be possible to pass it with a Kel-Tec P-32!
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I taught my friend's three boys to shoot when they were so young they couldn't pull the slide on a semi auto. I taught them with a Beretta 21A so they could load the gun using the tip up barrel.
When they were 8 or 9 they could shoot about 235-40 on the CHL test (by the book) with the little Beretta.:)

Actually I loaned my friend and his wife a Makarov to take their CHL first time.
I taught the lady to shoot the Makarov and she beat everyone shooting that day, except her husband, who shot 250.

The lady INSISTED that I sell her that Makarov, which I did.:D
 
Carter said:
As far as accuracy and CCW classes has it ever occurred to you that some people get the CCW to get around the pistol permit process in some places and are using it as way to get a pistol and learn how to shoot? Its what I did. Sheriff wouldn't give me a pistol permit so I got my CCW which he couldn't deny me.
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That doesn't make much sense- the sheriff wouldn't issue you a pistol permit but he allowed you to get a CWP which is also issued by him?:confused:

Added later- this is the law in NC and yes I'm assuming Carter is in NC as his location shows.
 
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Dr_B: you forgot to mention your awesome classmates. :D

My son and I went to an NRA Basic Pistol class basically on a lark; sounded like a fun summer activity and gun handling is on my list of things that everyone should be able to do. Along with drive a stick, ride a horse, change a tire, write a coherent 5 paragraph essay, tie a quick release knot. Basic stuff.

Our pistol course also fulfilled the state requirement so the other students were experienced shooters. The first day was classroom; second day at the range. We got to shoot, working our way up through the calibers, and the kid and I did pretty well, (I thought). We didn't drop the guns or cry, anyway. But we were complete novices who had never handled guns and likely made mistakes. So WE were the scary people who had never handled guns in our pistol class. I hope people aren't telling horror stories about us...
 
Had a guy show up to mine with 9x18 makarov ammo in his Px9. Not sure how that would have worked out for him.
 
not sure of the details yet,but here in upstate s.c. a woman was shot at a cwp class yesterday.
im going now to try and get info.
i will post it as i get it.
 
ok,it happened in spartanburg county ,s.c.
it is being clasified as a accidental shooting,but is being investigated by SLED(south carolina law enforcement devision).
all that is being released so far is that the instructor was going to help the victim with proper grip on her weapon,however the weapon had not been cleared and had a live round in the chamber.weapon fired hitting the female student.
as they release more info i will post it on this thread.
 
That doesn't make much sense- the sheriff wouldn't issue you a pistol permit but he allowed you to get a CWP which is also issued by him?

Added later- this is the law in NC and yes I'm assuming Carter is in NC as his location shows.
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In NC we have a nifty pistol permit law. Pretty much the Sheriff can deny a person for any reason he wants. From who you live with, minor infraction...whatever. That includes college students who get caught with adult beverages.

Well State law for CCW says as long as you meet the requirements you SHALL be issued a CCW. So, in order to buy a pistol I had to get the CCW. I borrowed a friends pistol (legal) and took the class (ironically taught by one of the Sheriffs deputies). I didn't know how to shoot a handgun yet, but I learned quickly since I would be carrying.

Luckily nothing too outrageous happened at my ccw class.
 
That doesn't make much sense- the sheriff wouldn't issue you a pistol permit but he allowed you to get a CWP which is also issued by him?

Added later- this is the law in NC and yes I'm assuming Carter is in NC as his location shows.
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Pistol Purchase Permit is through the county.

CCW Permit is through the state.

We're a shall-issue state, so if you're legal, you'll get the CCW, but the Sheriff doesn't have to listen to anyone when he has PPP's coming through. I've been denied a PPP, and it's a real pain in the ass.
 
I moved behind his wife, told her, "He'll have to go through you to hit me!"
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:) I'll have to remember that line. That's a straightforward yet tactful way to get the message across.

Keep in mind, sometimes even the instructors are scary. My instructor wanted to show the class how durable his S&W snubbie was, so he dropped it on the concrete floor from shoulder height...and broke it.
 
My instructor wanted to show the class how durable his S&W snubbie was, so he dropped it on the concrete floor from shoulder height...and broke it.
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Clearly he just didn't use the right lube. A *real* S&W would have laughed, gotten back up and stormed the beaches of Normandy by itself; And won!
 
i try to go to the range first thing in the morning, on a week day....when the only person i have to worry about is me.....gary
 
And this surprises you?

The first time I witnessed the local S.O. qualifications and saw SEVERAL officers completely missing a full size silhouette @ THREE (3) yds. I realized I would probably be well advised to be responsible for my own safety and well being.

I have no desire to go to an indoor range either. I've seen too many incredibly negligent examples of gun handling/safety violations.

A firearm is one of the things in life where you very likely may not get a "second chance" in the event of an "accident" (in quotes as I don't believe in gun "accidents", I have seen gun negligence and stupidity- but have never seen an "accident".).

I just assume the worst from people I don't know, irregardless of their "position" or credentials.
 
I hope people aren't telling horror stories about us...
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Serenity,

The simple fact that you are aware of this, tells me that you most likely, didn't do anything that might wind up on this thread as an example. :D

It's the folks who can't understand, "What your problem is!" that wind up here.
 
C5rider said:
Serenity,

The simple fact that you are aware of this, tells me that you most likely, didn't do anything that might wind up on this thread as an example. :D

It's the folks who can't understand, "What your problem is!" that wind up here.
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+1.
 
I've never attended a civilian CCW or "shooting" class. The bulk of my weapons training was received in recruit training and has been ingrained over the past 21 years.

I would think weapons handling is the very first topic covered in these classes and students should demonstrate mastery before they can move on. Yes, people pay for these classes (services) and expect a return on their investment, but what price would you put on safety? If I wouldn't want to be next to them on the firing line, I wouldn't want them on the street carrying a concealed weapon either. There are too many handgun models out there for any one instructor to become a master of them all, but there are some simple basics of weapons handling that apply to all weapons, and it is a gun owner's personal responsibility to be intimately aware of how his/her gun functions and how to use it

My uninformed personal opinion is that a CCW class is NOT a place to learn how to shoot your new gun. A quick search on the internet reveals many sources to receive basic firearms safety and handgun specific training. As these people reveal themselves we should tactfully point them towards these basic courses.
 
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