CCW @ concerts?

[Kimber1911_06238]

local concert venue here frisks everyone, no guns allowed permit or not. I had to walk back to my truck and put away a 1.5" knife that was on my keychain

 

[never_retreat]

The best place for your folder is in the bottom of your shoe/boot. No one except an airport searches shoes. I guess thats because no one wants to look as stupid as airport security. Couple of tricks are to use flat style knife, and try not to make it obvious by limping. I usually carried a 4 inch crkt.
FWI I got though a upright style scanner just by dragging that foot. (I wasn't expecting any kind of security to start with, so hey decided to give it a try)(the knife isn't illegal anyway, nothing to do but ask be to leave.)

 

[ExSoldier]

I guess it's a good thing that my wife and I just abhor crowds. We never go to sports events, concerts or to the mall during the holiday season. When I would take my kid to the county fair I never carried. First off it's a huge liability and will likely cause more harm than good. Tactically speaking there are other weapons to be had and just as deadly when the quarters are so tight. Secondly, the county fair in my area is overrun with LEOs.

I love to play the arcade games at those places. Last time I went (sheesh I can't remember how many years it's been) I was in this area playing that game SNIPER SCOPE and after awhile I noticed I had drawn a small crowd. Well, two. Off to my right rear were the kids shouting WOW, another head shot!

Then to my left rear I heard deeper voices. I glanced around to see about 20 cops all standing around to watch and discussing my tactics and score. That broke my concentration and my score went down the tubes. When the game finished the kids wandered off. I started to leave but one of the cops politely snagged me by the sleeve and asked how come somebody "my age" was so good at a shooting game? I handed him my business card (Certified Firearms Instructor) and his buddies all started laughing at him and encouraging him to ask me to teach him how to get a better score on the dept pistol quals. He was a rookie kid, anyway.

 

[mekender]

Well technicaly they cannot search you without your consent and they do not have any legal authority to do anything without your concent. However they can just tell you to get lost and you cannot enter.
If they choose to do more they are leaving themselves and the venue open to lawsuit by overstepping thier bounds.

I don't go to any recreational event that searches me, regardless of whether I have something to find or not. If there is that little right to privacy and respect to the customers then obviously I am not the target audience.

i suggest you read the back of your ticket... in most places, using the ticket is consent for search of you and your property... just like you agree not to hold the venue liable for injury at a show...

http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/purchase.html

You Are Subject to Search
You and your belongings may be searched on entry. You consent to such searches and waive any related claims that may arise. If you elect not to consent to such searches, you may be denied entry to the event without refund or other compensation. Under certain facility rules, certain items may not be brought into the premises, including without limitation, alcohol, drugs, controlled substances, cameras, recording devices, bundles and containers.

you agree to that when you attempt to enter the venue with a ticketmaster ticket... i would bet that all of the other ticket brokers have the same wording... notice, weapons are not mentioned, but that does not mean that the venue or the promoter cant prohibit them

 

[ronaldbeal]

mekender wrote: "i suggest you read the back of your ticket... in most places, using the ticket is consent for search of you and your property... just like you agree not to hold the venue liable for injury at a show..."

A ticket is an agreement by several parties... you the purchaser, and by proxy, ticketmaster, the venue, the promoter, etc... When you purchase and use the ticket, it is not magic and perpetual... you may revoke your consent to be searched, just as the promoter may revoke your privilege of being in his venue.

An example:
Say I decide to see a band, and I buy my ticket. That ticket is an agreement that says I give the ticket seller some money,and return, I get to go see the show, as long as I obey their rules.
So I get to the venue and in order to get in, I must submit to a search. At this point, I can allow them to search me, (their rules) and I see the show, Or I can decline to be searched, and I don't get to see the show. The moment I decline to be searched, the ticket is no longer valid, and any "right" they have to search me vanishes. If they attempt to search me after I have declined, they will be criminally and civilly liable. (people have sued, and pressed criminal charges and won, a number of times.)

Now say I get into the show without problems, and part way through the show, security pulls my over to the side, and wants to search me. I can consent, and assuming I haven't broken any other rules, continue to stay and watch the show, OR I can at that moment revoke my consent to be searched. At that moment, the agreement enumerated in the ticket has been breeched, and I no longer have a "right" to stay and watch the show.
I must leave, or be guilty of trespass. But again, once I have revoked my consent, security may no longer search me, and any attempt to do so may result in a successful lawsuit against the promoter/venue/security, etc...

So yes, "technically they cannot search you without your consent and they do not have any legal authority to do anything without your consent."


<---Not a lawyer, but I did take entertainment law in college (which included discussions on this very subject.)
Also a concert lighting professional for 13 years, I work with the venues, promoters, security, artists, and management on a daily basis.
Hope it clears it up some.
RB