Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Monkeybear, Aug 30, 2007.
Check out the longer mags w/ Xgrip or flat based mags b4 you trade her. Get them at CDNN.
Now if you're not planning on dressing around the gun then your in pocket, ankle, or other deep cover territiory and yea, you're going to have to go smaller with the guns.
But we all knew that because it isn't rocket science, right?
I've recently converted from primary carry of the P2000 SK to the Glock 19.
The G19 is lighter, holds more rounds, is the same size, has better balance and has a full grip. My only complaint with the Glock is the el-crapo trigger guard which gives me GlockFinger (pains the knuckle of the middle finger) which I'm in the process of rectifying with judicious use of the Dremel tool.
After some trigger modifications, accuracy is now about the same between the two. Mag insertion is nicer with the Glock.
Best of luck Monkeybear.
Actually I went to a gun shop this weekend and I asked about any CZs that the seller might have. He mentioned that he did not have any love for CZs but that he sold Glocks. I said, well then show me a 9mm Glock compact. He gave me a Glock 19 and I actually really like it. I have fired a Glock 26 and hated it more than anything else I have ever pulled the trigger on.
I was thinking about getting a CZ P-01, because it is so close to the CZ75 format that I love only smaller. The only thing that worries me is the rubber grips and hammer getting caught in my clothes. Now I think I may look into the Glock. Top Gun Shooting Range rents out Glock 19s so I'll rent one and see how I like it.
I am sometimes baffled by the 'carry gun' culture that has been created since so many states went CCW. I suppose I'm not baffled so much as annoyed.
This is the tool you are trusting your life with. Why would you use anything other than the gun you shoot the very best? For MOST of us, this means a full-size pistol. Heavier guns have less recoil, and longer sight radius, thus increasing the likelihood of good repeated hits.
COMFORT is a very distant second priority to me. The way the gun magazines say it, if a normal sized person carries a full-sized auto, they will lose their balance when they walk down the street, and if they carry a compact, they will forget it's there. My experience has shown neither of these to be true. If you give a petite female who has never carried before a sub-compact Glock to put in her waistband, she will absolutely know it's there. If you get a mall ninja who is brimming with joy because precisely four weeks ago he turned 21 and got his permit in the mail today, you can hang a full-size Desert Eagle under his left armpit and he will swear he doesn't feel it, because he's so exited he's allowed to carry.
I think a lot of it is marketing between the mags and the manufacturers. They try to convince us that you need different guns for every facet of your life. I carry a good full-size 1911, the same for open-carry, concealed carry in ANY weather, (improvise, adapt, overcome) outdoor activity, and if I were allowed, I would carry it to war. Pick your best caliber, in the best platform that works best for YOU. You said you are already used to .45, so look at Sigs, H&Ks, Glocks, 1911s, etc in that caliber.
I often wish I could find the "one" sidearm for all occasions.
While function is the most important part, concealment is a requirement. While I have decided to carry a larger platform I would still like to be able to conceal in accordance with Texas law at least somewhat comfortability in 100+ weather with 90% humidity.
I have spent some time at gun stores with the Glock 19, FNP-9 and the Walther P99. I would still like to carry something as light and concealable as possible without sacrificing my ability to shoot it confidently. I like them all but I haven't actually shot any. Aside from that it seems to me that the Glock 19 would be the easiest to conceal and the Walther would be the most ergonomic. The FNP-9 seems a good middle ground and like all compromises it isn't very exiting.
Just my personal experience. You don't need no 1911 to defend yourself. A Kahr or Kel Tec or Smith and Wesson J frame in a pocket beats a 40+ ounce gun you left in the car.
My back is just fine.
One point that might make my situation a little different is that in Utah, we are not required to conceal. If I have ever flashed or printed, I'm not aware of it, but I don't really have to worry about it as much.
Bug is a Kel-tec PF9 in a uncle mike's cheap holster.
Maybe weight, rather than size, is most important
The original poster said he shoots better with full size guns than subcompacts, and is moving to a Sig P226 from an H&K P2000sk. Of course the Sig is also a lot heavier, maybe 34 ounces empty (I own one) vs. 22 ounces for the P2000sk. Could it be the weight, rather than the dimensions, that make the Sig easier for him to shoot well? Weight steadies a gun and absorbs recoil, I think.
I have guns of all weights and always find the heavier ones easiest to shoot well. I have the most trouble shooting a S&W 642, which weighs 15 ounces empty. It seems to move all around as I try to aim, and has a heavy DAO trigger which also moves the gun as I pull it.
Some guns are dimensionally small, or sub compact, while having substantial weight. These might give the best combination of small size for concealment with lots of inertia for a steady shooting platform. Something in all steel with a smooth trigger would fit this spec.
Here are two candidates - both subcompact - a steel Kahr K40 which weighs 26 ounces empty, and a steel Colt Officer's model which weighs 30 ounces empty. Both are slim and concealable with good smooth triggers and slim profile.
i definitely think the sub-compact would be carried more often and provide more carry configuration options. if you don't shoot a sub-compact well, then my suggestion is practice. .38 and 9mm are cheap to practice with. i wish i could say i always carry my .45, but truth is my .38 is more often with me when i go for a quick trip to the grocery store.
i think the sub-compact is a great option to have.
I carry a "Full Size" and a "Compact" daily. having been in two "encounters" I can personally testify to the fact that no gun is too big when the fecal matter hits the rotating thing and you can never have too much ammo.
Of course, my daily Off-Duty Carry is a pair of Revolvers.
needed (and I hope it isn't}, that automatically gives you somewhat of what
we call a "Tactical Advantage". Sure, I own a 3" Kimber sub-compact, but
my main "go to" gun is a 5" Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special in .45 ACP!
In my opinion, these guns are the ideal size for CCW, not a true sub-compact, but big enough to get a full grip on and be accurate with, but small enough to carry.
My current CCW is a Springfield V10 Ultra Compact (Officer Model size) with lightweight frame.
Try a S&W 1911 with Scandium frame. Weighs a lot less. You can even get it bobtailed.
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