CCW in the air

[Herself]

This would appear to me to be a case where my unrealistic ideas about property rights meet my unreasonable ideas about the RKBA. To me, the rights of the property owners to resrict activities on their plane trumps my right to be armed. [...]

Since when is carrying a concealed weapon any more an "activity" than having a tattoo in a palce no one can see when you are clothed?
Yes, it is there.
No, it will not be a part of your normal interaction with others.

That's what people keep ignoring in this thread.

Guns ain't special. They're just objects. They have no intention. A hidden and unused gun could just as well be a soap carving or a potato.

If you never get your gun out, who's to know it is even there? --And if you do get it out in response to a threat, odds are extremely good there will be problems other than your piddlin' sidearm.

--Herself

 

[Herself]

Quote:
"I'm as pro-gun as anyone I've ever met outside of gun message boards, and most of my family and friends think of me as kind of a "gun nut". But here, I'm a raving anti."
You've summarized my position much better then I've been able to...

Incorrect, friends; you are not raving antis, you're weakly pro-gun and favor compromise, and that's the problem.

An outright anti a pretty good recruiting tool for the pro-gun side. They are polarizing.
The compromisers, those who trade a little freedom for a perception of better security, nibble away gun rights one tiny "reasonable" bite at a time, and one fine day, those rights are lost.

I'mn sure you are good gun folks, who observe the Four Rules and keep your iron clean. You are a danger to gun rights none the less.

--Herself

 

[Ezekiel]

The compromisers, those who trade a little freedom for a perception of better security, nibble away gun rights one tiny "reasonable" bite at a time, and one fine day, those rights are lost.

I vehemently reject this "slippery slope" hypothesis and refuse to crown Gradualism as king.

"Keeping the standard citizen from carrying a sidearm within a pressurized tube traveling 400 miles per hour at 40,000 feet assists more then the perception of my safety."

Since when is carrying a concealed weapon any more an "activity" than having a tattoo in a palce no one can see when you are clothed?

"You acting the fool with an unattractive lower back tattoo doesn't affect my person."

 

[Herself]

I vehemently reject this "slippery slope" hypothesis and refuse to crown Gradualism as king.

...So why is it you can't own a new machine gun, even after you pass all the checking to see if you're okay to pay the $200 tax, if it isn't gradual whittling-down of your rights?

"Keeping the standard citizen from carrying a sidearm within a pressurized tube traveling 400 miles per hour at 40,000 feet assists more then the perception of my safety."

What's "pressurized tube" got to do with it? You've seen too many bad movies; airplanes don't blow up when you shoot a hole in the passenger compartment.
If it's a real big hole or a lot of little ones, the breathing masks will deploy. Big deal.
Speed? Who cares. Altitude? ...The thing has wings; those plus the speed are why it flies. Or do you think I might shoot the wings off with my mighty pistol? Sorry, Ezekiel, the .50 Beowolf Webley-Fosbury automatic revolver, cool though it is, is imaginary -- and wouldn't be enough gun for the job if it wasn't.

I'm starting to see it. It's not so much the guns for you fellows, you're afraid of flying! So fearful that even the least hint of possible potential additional danger is The Last Straw.
If I were the sort of compassionate gal who cares, deeply cares about comforting the baseless fears of others, I'd be really moved. But I'm not. Coddling you is not my calling -- and it is not a fit role for society, either.

Quote:
"Since when is carrying a concealed weapon any more an 'activity' than having a tattoo in a place no one can see when you are clothed?"

"You acting the fool with an unattractive lower back tattoo doesn't affect my person."

And you believe I am liable to act the fool? On what basis? The thousands of CCW holders you hear about daily who gun down the car-wash attendant for not having change foe a fifty? The law-abiding gun-owners who snap off a shot at swarthy orthodontists for taking a parking place they wanted and lookin' "foreign?" The NRA members who stage running gun battles on the freeway?

Ain't happening. Not happening on the ground, therefore not gonna happen in the air.

You're simply afraid. Well, the world is a scary place, all the more so when we allow ourselves to fall prey to irrational fears. Boo!

--Herself

 

[Billmanweh]

I think maybe someone has a fear of flying without a gun. Maybe you need some coddling? Remember, it's just an object, like a potato. You can leave your gun in your checked luggage where it belongs and carry a potato the next time you fly, cause you aren't carrying a gun.

Love all the smilies!

 

[Herself]

I think maybe someone has a fear of flying without a gun.

...I don't see the airlines moving to provide me an effective defense and the Air Marshals have cut way back.

Adults take responsibility for their own defense.

Maybe you need some coddling? Remember, it's just an object, like a potato.

Don't tell me, tell the Feds and the airlinez!

You can leave your gun in your checked luggage where it belongs and carry a potato the next time you fly, cause you aren't carrying a gun.

And how do you know I'm not among the few who can carry on commercial flights?
...And where do you get off telling me where my gun "belongs?" It's a sidearm; it belongs at my side. You don't get a vote in the matter. That's why there is a Bill of Rights: to set certain matters outside the whim of the majority.

But thanks for playing!

--H

 

[Billmanweh]

It took you two days to come up with that?

 

[Herself]

It took you two days to come up with that?

Hey, look, there's another road waaaaaaaay up there!

I work for a living. I shoot for fun as often as I can manage. Explaining your self-contradictions is just a pastime.

--H

 

[Kodiaz]

Herself I think he wanted to say you need cuddling

 

[Herself]

Herself I think he wanted to say you need cuddling

That's so cute! At my age, it doesn't happen very often, either.

"C'mere, sonny, Granny's got a dreat biig smooooochie fer yew!"

Sure makes those store-bought teeth worth it!

--H

 

[Kodiaz]

You have painted a very disturbing picture