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CCW on a cruise ship

Discussion in 'Legal' started by BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE, Aug 12, 2006.

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  1. BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE

    BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE Member

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    Stupid question here but, I have been searching the web and can't find any up to date legall info on concealed carry on a cruise ship.

    Does anyone know if it is legal to carry concealed on a cruise ship as long as it is staying within the states. For instance Washington to Alaska?

    I would assume it is not and they are treated like airplances.
     
  2. Car Knocker

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    Thought Canada was in between W and A? :D

    All the threads I've seen in various forums indicate that CCW is a no-no. Metal detectors included. BUT, I seem to recall that there is a ferry between the two states that allows firearms????
     
  3. SigLaw

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    If you are talking about a seven day type cruise from Seatlle and up to Alaska, no way can you CCW, there will be metal detectors and I image any attempt to bring one on board in your luggage would violate some Federal law.
     
  4. Walter

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    Nope. I've been on several cruises, and the restrictions on handguns are
    just as tight on the cruise ships as they are on airlines. In fact,
    tighter. You can "check" a handgun in baggage on an airliner, as long as
    it is "declared" and locked up in your baggage. Not so on a cruise ship.

    Their rule, as I understand it, is, No guns, No way, Period.

    I wanted to carry my CCW piece with me on the first cruise I went on, but after reading all the "fine print", I decided against it. It was a good decision, because there was no way I was getting on that ship with that gun.

    Walk-thru metal detectors, and the hand-held wands, just to get to the boarding area. And they said all the luggage is X-rayed before it is loaded.
    Of coarse, this was all after 9-11, but I doubt they have gotten any more lenient in their allowing of guns "on board".

    Walter
     
  5. Cosmoline

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    A CRUISE SHIP?! Why anyone in their right mind would set foot on one of those disease-ridden drunk barges is beyond me. They look like prison ships, and the people are herded here and there like sheep. There are much better ways to see Alaska.
     
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    It's really not that bad Cosmoline. They're like a hotel where you wake up in a new city every morning. But I have to reccomend Holland America over the others, definately cleaner.

    But on all of them CCW is no go. Legally they could allow it(I think), but it's their boat, their rules, and it makes sense considering the drinking in which some patrons enduldge.
     
  7. AJAX22

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    You can get a pocket knife on to the ship. they don't let you, and they'll give you a song and dance about bringing a weapon into a weapon free area, but if you ask them to leave it with security for the trip, then you can have it when you leave the ship.

    While on the ship, its an easy thing to "borrow" a steak knife.

    Guns are a no-no but you don't have to be totally unarmed.

    On my last cruise they were so buisy giving me a hard time about my pocket knife, they missed the spyderco in my baggage.

    Mostly the security guys just want a free knife, don't let them get away with it, make them hold it and give it back, and get a reciept.
     
  8. cane

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    "Alaska" cruises leave from Vancouver BC, not Washington State. The Jones act prohibits the cruise ships from sailing from one US port directly to another.
     
  9. SigLaw

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    NCL sails roundtrip Honolulu to Honolulu but they use US flagged ships, so cruise ships can go from one US port to another. Also here is a Celebrity Cruise inteniary, it look like they do Seatlle roundtrip.

    Ports of call: Seattle, Washington; Juneau, Alaska; Skagway, Alaska; Hubbard Glacier, Alaska; Ketchikan, Alaska; Nanaimo, Canada; Seattle, Washington.
     
  10. benEzra

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    ???

    Why?
     
  11. Cosmoline

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    So setting foot on a prison ship that FORBIDS YOU FROM CARRYING is "not that bad"?! Think for a second. You're PAYING THEM to DISARM YOU for weeks on end. When does that get fun? I see these packs of touristas getting herded around. Are they afraid we're going to bite them or something? We're AMERICANS you fools! Alaska is not a foreign country. You don't have to rely on some fascist cruise ship to shepherd you around.

    There are plenty of drunks in Spenard, but that sure don't mean the city gets to disarm me! Their boat, their rules--YOUR MONEY, YOUR TIME, YOUR LIFE! That's no bargain. Don't go on the cruise ships.
     
  12. davec

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    It's not actually the Jones Act, its the Passenger Services Act (of 1886). The later Jones act clarifies which vessels are subject to the PSA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Services_Act

    It was enacted as a protectionist measure for US shipping companies.


    more:
    http://www.sealetter.com/Oct-99/alancol.html


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_Act_(sailor_rights)
     
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    No CCW, but the karaoke is fantastic.
     
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    I know I'm going to spell this incorrectly, but do y'all remember the Kile Lauro? Cruise ships have been attacked by terrorists in the past and probably will again as the great jihad continues. If I can't carry, I ain't goin'
     
  15. Car Knocker

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    Close. Achile Lauro.
     
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    because as we all know from the movie Die Hard starring Bruce Willis, one man with a sidearm can single handedly foil a terrorist band armed with automatic weapons and explosives.

    Yippie Kayay!
     
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    I'd be more concerned about drunks pushing me overboard. They're infested prison barges. Only sheep and fools go on them.
     
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    Most cruise ships aren't US flagged. In international waters you are governed by the laws under which the ship is flagged. Think about that the next time you sail.
     
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    That's news to me... Two years ago I took an NCL cruise from Seattle to Alaska. Our first stop after leaving Seattle was Juneau.

    As far as CCW goes... a big no-no on a cruise ship.
     
  20. cane

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    I checked with NCL, they are using US flagged ships for the Hawaii and Alaska cruises.
     
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    I think the flagging also has to do with how the cruise line's corporate
    ownership is taxed.
     
  22. Cousin Mike

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    By now, common knowledge is that CCW on a cruise ship = a big no no.

    However, as mentioned before, airplanes are the same - you can't carry even though you can have it 'checked' in a bag somewhere on the plane. A lot of good that would do you if you needed it.

    Even within your very state, city, town, whatever... I assume that there are places you can't carry.

    My question is this... Are you that afraid to travel without your gun?

    If so, there are a lot of things out there you'll never get to see. If that means enough to you to limit your travels, by all means stay home. I tend to think that the world is worth seeing.

    Even if I have to leave my gun at home sometimes to do so.

    Of course, some folks would just rather stay in their home state their whole lives, and would call you a fool for doing otherwise... To each his own.
     
  23. Nathanael_Greene

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    "I'd be more concerned about drunks pushing me overboard. They're infested prison barges. Only sheep and fools go on them."

    Speak for yourself. I am neither a sheep nor a fool.

    I've been on several cruises and will no doubt go on several more. I've always had a great time, have never gotten sick, been attacked by a drunk, or had any experience worse than sunburn. In exchange, I've seen beautiful places, had great meals, and been treated extremely well by staff that knows the meaning of service.

    And getting back to the topic of the original post, attempting to smuggle a handgun aboard ship would qualify as a Very Bad Thing.

    If you go on a cruise, go prepared to relax, not shoot. You'll have a much better time, and so will your shipmates.
     
  24. Cosmoline

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    :scrutiny: So if you're treated well enough it's OK to be disarmed? The "meaning of service" in my opinion does not include being disarmed by force.

    Um, we're talking about an Alaska cruise here. You really don't need to disarm yourself to come here :D :D Indeed, you can even bring a hunting rifle through Canada as long as you abide by their procedures. I've seen thousands of cruise ship passengers in this state. They're usually kept in isolated buses and shuffled from one tourist trap to another. It's always boggled my mind that AMERICANS should feel so terrified about visiting a part of their own nation that they have to be led around from place to place and kept disarmed like children. Do you think we're going to attack you if you don't have the tour operator's protection or something? What's the matter with you people?

    The really sad part is, there are thousands of FOREIGN tourists, esp. from Germany, who come up here with no tour operator and no buses. If they can do it, why do so many Americans feel the need to be turned into sheep and herded around?
     
  25. Librarian

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    Schedule, probably.

    When that ship leaves, it leaves. Water taxis are reputed to be expensive.

    When my wife and I did our San Francisco - Canada - Alaska and back cruise last year we did a mix of tours and wandering around by ourselves. Since our hotel was the ship, we had to pay attention to its schedule. If we were running from town to town making our own arrangements, we'd probably do things differently.
     
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