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CCW on Greyhound

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Gaiudo, Dec 5, 2005.

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  1. Gaiudo

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    Mods, if this needs to be elsewhere, please proceed as needed....

    For Christmas break I will be flying back from Canada to Omaha, Nebraska where my grandparents are living. Grandma thought it would be nice if I didn't spend my Christmas in a basement suite studying, so was nice enough to buy a ticket. My brother is graduating that week down in Tennesee, so she also thought I might want to go down and see him and then drive back up to NE with him. So she bought me a Greyhound bus ticket down there.

    Now, all my firearms are in Nebraska, patiently awaiting my return from Vancouver :banghead: I hate the thought of traveling for two weeks without a sidearm. I have heard something about Greyhound not being all too friendly with CCW's.

    So here is the question: how do I take this dang trip without being unarmed all the time (including the week or so in Tennessee, and the drive back to Omaha?) I have a resident TX CCL, so the trip from Omaha through Missouri/Arkansas through Tennessee would be no problem from a legal perspective. What authority does Greyhound have to regulate my CCW? Is this just one of those situations where you go deep conceal and forget about the "rules". I guess I could always ship my Kimber down to Tennessee, but to spend that much money on a week... :barf:

    A little help on this one would be nice.

    :cuss: freaking bus policies.....:cuss:
     
  2. SMLE

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    Don't even THINK about it!!!

    Greyhound lines prohibits even transporting a firearm in checked baggage, let alone carrying one. Even if you're not breaking any laws, they have pre-boarding screeners at many terminals now and if you're caught, you'll be tossed of the bus and banned from riding Greyhound again. You can also expect them to do everyting thay can to get you arested and your gun confiscated. :cuss:
    They'll also swear out criminal trespass complaints against you. In short, Greyhound Lines is a pack of inflamed, infected anal sphincters. They're as bad as the TSA at airports anymore. :cuss:
    All the terminals I've seen are posted and supposedly there is some Federal regulation that prohibits carrying in the terminals as well.

    Get a refund on the bus ticket and try getting a plane ticket on priceline.com or something. Besides, the bus is just about the slowest, most miserable way to travel possible anymore. :barf:
     
  3. Darth Ruger

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    SMLE is correct. I took a Greyhound trip just a couple of months ago. They don't allow guns at all, whether on you, in your carry-on bag, or a checked bag in the cargo hold. They don't care if you have a carry permit (I called Greyhound before my trip to verify this). They have the right to prohibit guns on their buses, just like any other business can do the same on their premises/property. I had to take my trip unarmed.

    They didn't go through anyone's bags on my trip, but they reserve the right to do so if they want to. This is all made very clear in the rules that will be listed in the envelope with your ticket.

    If you're caught with a gun, they'll probably throw you off the bus and then you'll be stuck wherever you're at. And they might also call the cops and, depending on which State it is (or maybe the State the trip originated in), you might be in violation of State law, if the law of that State says you can't bring guns onto the premises/property of a business if that business prohibits it.

    The ironic part is that my trip went from Washington, through Idaho to Montana, and back again. Both Idaho and Montana honor Washington permits. So with my Washington permit, I could have carried in all three States without any problems, but I still had to go unarmed because of Greyhound's anti-gun rules.

    I'll second that. I was surprised at how cramped, slow, and miserable the trip was. They stopped every 1 1/2 - 2 hours during the night, which, combined with the cramped seats, made sleep impossible, and stretching an eight hour drive into 13 hours. There were only three stops listed on the itinerary, but we made a total of six.
     
  4. 1911 guy

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    Traveled the dog once.

    Once, and only once. Went from Cleveland, Oh. to Memphis, Tn. Long, slow, and cramped are indeed good adjectives. I can add a few invectives, too, if you want.
     
  5. jondar

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    I was coming back from Monterrey, Mexico, caught a GH at Laredo. About twenty miles above the border the bus was pulled over by five or six officers.
    I think they were immigration but not sure. Anyway, they boarded the bus, asked for ID from everyone on the bus, around twenty people. I had my passport, handed it to him, he looked it over briefly, handed it back, asked me which bag was mine on the overhead rack, I said the blue one. I think I may have been the only one on the bus whose bag was NOT searched. Go figure.
     
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    I suggest looking at the US Gun Control Act of 1968, specifically the parts dealing with carrying a firearm across state lines aboard a public conveyance engaged in interstate commerce.
     
  7. SIOP

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    Sounds like you're S.O.L. for the Greyhound part of the trip, but you could ship a gun to yourself in Tennessee so you'd have it for the time you're there and the trip back to Omaha. You don't have to go through an FFL to ship a gun to yourself.
     
  8. middy

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    Last time I travelled Greyhound I ended up sitting on my bags in the aisle aboard a bus that smelled like an overloaded Port-A-Potty for 10 hours. :fire:

    Never again.
     
  9. pharmer

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    Took the dog in '93 from Orlando Fl to Austin Tx. Worst travel experience in my life. Stopped in every Sh##hole in between. To pick up every knuckle draggin toothless foola#s and parolee around. Averaged about 20 mph for the trip. Never again, I'll hitch its faster. Joe
     
  10. countertop

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    Not sure what your dates are or where in Tennessee your going, but a quick search on Orbitz.com turned up a Delta flight from Omaha to Nashville on Monday December 19th for only $109 ($130 with all taxes and fees).

    You can leave at 6 am and arrive in Nashville at 10:29 or leave at 7:05 and arrive at 10:45 or leave at 7:45 and arrive at 12:53 or leave at 10:28 and arrive at 3:20.

    Your choice, but in all cases, it sure sounds cheaper and easier and quicker (a whole hell of a lot quicker) than greyhound.

    On Greyhound, btw, you would leave at 6:00 am and the earliest you would arrive is 18 hours later at 12:45 am tuesday morning or 5:00 am tuesday morning or even worse 9:30 am tuesday morning. You don't even get a price break either. The standard fare is $127.50 ($2.50 less than a nice easy flight) and the advanced purchase rate is $67. Its not my money, but I would tell you my time (not to mention security) is worth far more than the $40 you would waste on Greyhound.
     
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    Interstate bus is the same as an airliner in regards to carrying a gun. Prohibited by federal law in the terminal and on the bus.
     
  12. Gaiudo

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    Wow, unbelievable. I heard it was bad, but that bad....?:cuss:

    Well, I'm sending an email now to see if we can get the ticket canceled and get an airline ticket . Its hard to believe Greyhound is that anti.... just wow.

    Someone needs to start up the equivalent of the hooters airlines, just for gunowners, and with a busline extension. :evil:

    Thanks for the solid responses, its amazing how one can have a question one evening, and then wake up and have it completely answered for you.

    Someone suggested mailing my firearm to myself from Omaha to Tennessee: is that feasible/legal? Any online info about the legalities of mailing such and getting around FFL? Wouldn't want to "lose" the Kimber in the mail, thats for sure.
     
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    I have ridden Amtrak and have not been bothered nor had my baggage searched. Much more comfortable than the bus.

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    Carry is not prohibited in the terminal by Federal law, only beyond the actual security checkpoint. You have to be able to bring (carry) the (unloaded and secured) gun into the terminal in order to check it, no?

    Your state and local laws and airport rules may differ on open or concealed, loaded carry, but the Fed.gov cares not a whit outside security.
     
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    Federal law requires you to declare firearms with any interstate carrier who may then take possession for the duration of the trip. (See 27CFR 478.31)

    There is no requirement that the carrier allow firearms to be transported.

    The fact is that if you are carrying on Greyhound or Amtrack, you would be in violation of Federal law.
     
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    :banghead: I agree...don't break the law and don't get stranded. But do carry a weapon. I had two hispanic gentlemen try to rob me and take my guitar at a Greyhound terminal. Do you think the Greyhound employees gave a damn? Nope...they just gave me a bloodshot eyed stare and said they'd call the cops....so it was up to me and my brother to take care of business.
     
  17. ka50

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    deep concealment

    as far as I'm aware they don't check you for weapons before you board

    if no one knows you have it, no one can complain about and no one can arrest you

    but if you do need it, I'd rather be judged by 12, rather than carried by 6.
     
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    Right, the CFR applies if you are traveling with the weapon. You are free (again, subject to local yadda yadda) to CARRY and possess in the terminal itself, outside the security perimeter.

    Meet a traveler, get a cup of coffee, an overpriced hardback or even a shoeshine (with a $5 parking fee). As long as you don't go through security.
     
  19. SMLE

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    Now they do. Not in all terminals, but in many. As of the late summer of 2004, it was just over 30 and the program was growing. I worked as a security officer in the Albuquerque terminal until I got sick of the whole mess. :barf:
     
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    The Greyhound station in San Diego is, IIRC, less than a block from central booking. :uhoh:

    I used the train to get from Oceanslime to Dago if I could help it.
     
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    From my CCW class recently, Missouri has a weird law that doesn't allow carry on buses, even with a permit. If I remember correctly, it falls under bus hijacking and is a felony, but the main point I got was do not carry on a bus in Missouri even with a permit. Maybe someone else can correct me, or clear up the exact regulation some.
     
  22. Gaiudo

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    Does someone have more info on this? Bus hijacking? What a load of crock. :cuss: Excuse me, I think I've been using that too much on this thread. :banghead:

    They must have some wierd stuff going on in the book in Missouri.
     
  23. Gaiudo

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    Ok then definately not carrying on Greyhound. And am looking into flights down to Memphis.

    If the flight doesn't work out, is there anything I should know about mailing a firearm down to myself? Legalities, packing, safety, etc? I guess would simply put my own name on it.
     
  24. Shel

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    I've ridden Greyhound before. BIG mistake. To make a long story short, I had a connection to make in Atlanta. The driver got lost, we arrived in Atlanta about 3 hours late. So I ended up spending the night in the Atlanta bus station.

    I figure those asshats at Greyhound would find some way to have you charged with some type of crime if you got caught carrying. I figure if you did get caught, the very least that would happen is you would lose your gun. And the sad thing is, the types of places and stuff you see around Greyhounds stations, you NEED to be packing!
     
  25. Car Knocker

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    Gaiudo,

    As I recall, a bus got hijacked in Eastern Utah earlier this year. It does happen. Not successfully. But occasionally.
     
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