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CCW pocket carry incident at Movie Theater

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, May 20, 2011.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Member

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    I switched from a Springfield Champion 1911 to a SW Bodyguard .380 which I carry in my front or back pocket. When I sit it is obviously in my front pocket.



    Well, I went to the Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides last night with a girl I'm dating and her brothers and sisters. (I'd give it a "C+", not worth seeing in theater in case you were wondering, it was also very long.)



    So, her family is sitting in the 15th row and we are sitting up and behind them in the 16th row. Well, I notice that my SW Bodyguard is pointed right at the back of one of her brother's heads and that makes me extremely nervous.



    Even though I know the gun won't go off unless it's 10lbs trigger is pulled I still go by the Gun Safety Rule of "Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot."




    So I reached into my pocket and flicked the safety on. I still felt nervous with the gun pointed at the back of his head, but it did ease my mind quite a bit.






    What would you have done if you had been in this situation?






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  2. Unistat

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    Was it in a pocket holster? If so, I would have done nothing. If not, I wouldn't have had it on me.

    I am not attacking you, so please don't take it this way, but I am growing weary of folks getting upset or nervous over the fact that a gun in a holster is pointing at someone. That happens all the time. It's one of the three main functions of holsters. Let it do its job.

    Ever been to a gun show? That's when I get mildly nervous.
     
  3. Devonai

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    When I had a pocket pistol, I would always carry it with the safety on simply because the muzzle had a tendency to wander far too close to my manly bits for comfort.
     
  4. Sgt_R

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    This.

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  5. BADUNAME37

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    Inadament Object.....

    When I am sitting in church my gun in my front pocket may be aimed any which direction. I do not look down and mentally take note of which way the gun might be pointed - as long as I know that my gun is just a mechanical device that has been safely made to not go off unless I pull that long, hard trigger pull.

    I have pocket holsters for my pocket guns. I do not store anything in the same pocket as my gun. Since I take all the precautions, it doesn't matter to me which way my gun may be pointing, I know it is as good as an unloaded gun, that is until certain conditions are met. I must somehow reach into my pocket and pull that long-hard trigger. I believe fooling around with the safety is more of a safety concern than just leaving the Inadament Object be. My gun could sit for a thousand years and not go off once until the trigger is pulled!
     
  6. ForumSurfer

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    I make sure I carry in a holster with the trigger covered. But that's just me.

    If you felt it wasn't safe to point it at him in that situation, then it stands to reason that the particular carry method needs to be reevaluated. If the carry method is safe, it doesn't matter which way the muzzle points. If it did, we would all need a magic holster that always points down. Even carrying on your hip leaves the possibility for ricochets if the gun goes off. Either a carry method prevents negligent discharges or it doesn't.

    Just my 2 cents...
     
  7. iblong

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    I would have got up and gone to the little boys room and put in in my back pocket,Id have been more concerned with putting my hand in my pocket and manipulating the safety while seated than leaving it as it was.But thats just me.
     
  8. Mainsail

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    The rule applies to handling a firearm, which you were not doing- until you started fiddling with the safety. I don't own any pants with enough pocket for a gun, but if I did, it would be secure inside a pocket holster.
     
  9. MEHavey

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    Being a double action, I would not have felt the need to mess w/ it

    But were it otherwise, I would get up, move out to the men's room, and then (and only then) touch the gun to engage the safety.

    My $0.02
     
  10. BADUNAME37

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    I think we are pretty much ALL in agreememt that the worst thing to do is to manipulate anything on the gun when in that position [sic].

    If any ajustment is to be made, it should have been made in a place where there are not people in front to the right, to the left and behind the carrier!
     
  11. usmarine0352_2005

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    It was not in a pocket holster.

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    I have a Galco pocket holster on back order for it as of two weeks ago.





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  14. BADUNAME37

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    In my humble opinion, that is one of the largest mistakes people make with guns in the pocket!
    The gun should be firmly in a hoster, so the entire trigger opening is covered! Another mistake is they put keys, key rings, change, etc. in with the gun! Just pulling a key ring out of a pocket holding a pistol could cause the trigger to be pulled, IMO.

    I always use Robert Mika's Holsters!
    They are simple, they stay in the pocket when drawing the gun (unlike Uncle Mikes which many times is so flimsy, it comes out of the pocket on the gun)! Imagine pulling your gun out at someone who is about to shoot you and your holster is tightly wrapped around the pistol! I think that kind of Defeats the Purpose of a holster to begin with!
     
  15. Lou McGopher

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    Note to self: Start a business selling pocket holsters made from Kevlar.
     
  16. jon_in_wv

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    When you weapon is in it's holster it is pretty much always pointed at something you would rather not shoot. If you don't trust your holster to protect the weapon from inadvertently discharging it may be time for a new holster.

    BTW, I found out I really needed a better holster when I was sitting at the movie theater and I heard something hit the floor. I though my cell phone fell on the floor but I remembered I left it in the car. My LCP had fallen out of my pocket and on to the floor behind me. Several kids flipped their cell phones on to be helpful. I grabber on of their phones and used the light to find it before they did so they never really knew what I dropped. I changed my holster after that.
     
  17. Resist Evil

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    Same for me.
     
  18. TX1911fan

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    If a gun has a safety, it is meant to be used, so you should have had it on anyway. Even more so if it was not in a holster. You should have been concerned about this whether or not it was pointing at someone else. It is ALWAYS pointing at you in your pocket.
     
  19. Unistat

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    Then, yes, I would have put the safety on.
     
  20. JustinJ

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    Dont carry in pocket, or any way for that matter, without a hoster that protects the trigger.

    I've always taken "pointing a gun" to mean something that is done while being held in the hand. I keep a loaded gun in a few hidden places around the house in the horizontal position. I cross in front of the barrels all the time without worry. I wouldnt leave a cocked double action gun without a safey engaged that way since there is tension on the hammer but that is more out of fear of the gun accidentally getting jarred.
     
  21. Caliper_Mi

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    My solution is not to have a safety on my "pocket" gun :p

    And if in a pocket, it always rides in a pocket holster.

    I wouldn't have worried about it. Honestly, reaching into the pocket while seated to flip on the safety probably would have been more dangerous than just not touching it.
     
  22. pikid89

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    holster, always

    dont mess with it

    relax...as much as the anti gunners will have you believe, your gun cannot "just go off"
     
  23. LibShooter

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    Yep, get a holster and don't worry much about where the gun points when you're not touching it. Every time anyone carrying in a shoulder holster walks on a sidewalk or stands in line for coffee, the gun is likely pointing at somebody. I've never had a second thought about that. (Until now.) :(

    Short of spontaneous combustion, I can't think of any way a properly holstered double action revolver could fire.

    Ease your mind and enjoy Jack Sparrow. :)
     
  24. Kliegl

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    If it has a safety, use it. One should not carry a gun that has a safety without it, as it is designed to be used, the possible exception being a double action pistol carried condition 2.

    Secondly, one should always holster a gun. Hoodlums don't use holsters, responsible law abiding Americans legally carrying do.

    Lastly, an inadamant object is one that you can always beat in an argument. I think you were looking for inanimate, which is not moving.
     
  25. kingpin008

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    Why?

    I'm sorry, but carrying any CCW handgun without a holster is completely foolish, not to mention needlessly reckless. I don't understand people who can afford a gun that costs hundreds of dollars, but can't be bothered to splash out the extra five or ten bucks for an el-cheapo nylon holster for it.

    Even if there's nothing else in your pocket with the gun, there is still the possibility of an AD. There was a thread not too long ago here where a fella had an AD because some of the fabric from his shirt got bunched up inside the trigger guard and caused his gun to discharge when he moved a particular way.

    It only takes once for someone to get injured or killed in an accident with a gun. Buying and using a holster is the least you can do to assure that the risk is minimized.
     
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