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CCW rejected for valid ID

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Taurus 617 CCW, Nov 22, 2005.

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  1. Taurus 617 CCW

    Taurus 617 CCW Member

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    Occasionally I will use my CCW for a piece of ID when a business requires one. I guess it's my way of testing them out on firearm friendliness. Last night I had the chance to present some ID for a bottle of red wine and handed her my CCW card. The checker looked at it for a few seconds and looked at me with a confused look on her face. Then she asked me for a different piece of ID because that one woudn't work. :fire: I thought to myself, Don't you think that a CCW permit would suffice for proof of age? In my state, you must be 21 to own a handgun or even obtain the permit for CCW. Even more so, it's harder than getting a driver's license due to the federal background check. Has anyone else had a similar experience trying to use their CCW as ID?
     
  2. Pilgrim

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    While my Idaho CCW permit also has my driver's license number, I can't think of a valid reason for using it for ID other than showing off that I can carry a concealed weapon.

    Pilgrim
     
  3. HighVelocity

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    I keep my CHL in my wallet behind my DL, which shows through a clear window. I show my DL often as I fly frequently for business.
    Once my DL ended up behind my CHL so the CHL was showing though the wallet window when I whipped it out to go through security.
    The TSA girl didn't even blink. She looked at it, looked at me and waved me through.
     
  4. Janitor

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    Not exactly sure why I'd actually want to use my CCW license as generic ID, but it wouldn't work with a MN CCW anyway. We don't have pictures on ours.
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  5. ID_shooting

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    "I can't think of a valid reason for using it for ID"

    I have used mine but only in instances where two form of ID are required such as cashing checks.
     
  6. hso

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    She's a poor little clerk at a package store. She's been told to look at driver's liscences and to accept nothing else. It's not her fault that she's not been told to take any other sort of government issued ID.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Zach S

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    Same here.
     
  8. Carl N. Brown

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    The Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit is a photo ID similar
    to the Drivers License (THCP photo on right, TDL photo
    on left) and THCP number is the TDL number. The TDL
    records also show you have a THCP on traffic stops.

    When asked for ID I usually offer my TDL; I was told if
    asked by an LEO, I should offer both TDL and THCP.
    When my son has been asked for Photo ID (not specifically
    driver's license) he has sometimes offered his THCP, with the
    explanation: "THCP card means you passed a TBI and FBI
    background check, fingerprints on file, and have not been
    arrested or charged since then." If you are arrested or
    charged, the court is required to take your THCP until
    the case is ajudicated. Having a THCP should be better
    proof of good faith and bona fides than a TDL.

    Offering concealed carry weapons ID to buy wine
    would be a faux pas in Tennessee: you cannot carry in an
    establishment that sells beverages over 5% alcohol, or in
    any establishment that has on premises consumption of
    alcohol. Just would not look good to third parties.
     
  9. BreakerDave

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    Me too. The problem with using a CCW permit for proof of age when buying alcohol has little to do with a person's attitudes towards guns but whether or not they recognize it as a valid state ID. By that I mean the wait staff have probably only been trained to recognize driver licenses and the nearly identical state identification cards. Don't forget with 50 states and the states regularly changing the licenses' formats, that's a lot of info to keep in your head. Add to that the facts that CCW permits can vary from county to county in some states (i.e. Nevada), some states do not make a picture part of the CCW permit (i.e. Washington), as a percentage, the number of the people who possess a CCW permit is small, and it's little wonder a waitress or waiter wouldn't know what a legitimate CCW permit is supposed to look like.
     
  10. yomama

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    Oregon Liquor Control Commission has very specific laws requiring very specific forms of ID. CHL is not on their list. I work in a place that sells alcohol and it's a pain in the butt asking people for their DL all the time. They often times do undercover "stings". It's not worth my job to accept the wrong kind of ID and I'm sure most people would feel this way.
     
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    In Texas, CHL is not supposed to be used as an official ID.
     
  12. jason10mm

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    I mistakenly used my CCW eprmit to show proof of age in a bar once. The waitress stared at it for a while, but accepted it. I didn't realize which ID I gave her until I got it back :uhoh: Normally I would not advertize the fact.
     
  13. phoglund

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    Montana CWP is also not to be used as ID.
     
  14. cmidkiff

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    Here in MO, you can get your CCW added to your regular drivers license, or get a normal 'State ID' card with the CCW endorsement. All of the MO CCW's that I know about opt for the state ID card, so that we can continue to show the DL without showing that we are CCW endorsed, as well.

    Can't imagine any condition that would cause me to get the CCW State ID out of my wallet unless asked for it by a LEO!
     
  15. pax

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    I accidentally used mine for ID once. Was in a bank, not my own bank, cashing a check for my employer. I had my DL with me, but no credit cards that day. Cashier said she'd need another form of ID too. I went thumbing through my wallet looking for a card that would work, and thumbed past my CPL. Cashier said sharply, "Is that a conceal carry permit?" I sheepishly admitted that it was. She said, "That'll do" and grabbed it.

    Heh.

    pax
     
  16. mwithers72

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    Hey carl, can you send me the text of the law that you state. The only one that I can find stats notheing about the 5% alcohol line. If that was the case I could not carry into my local gas station. Here is the text of the law that is listed with lexisNexis:

    TN Code 39-17-1305.
    Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served.

    (a) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor,
    wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102(1), are served for
    on premises consumption.


    (b) A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

    (c) The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to a person who is:

    (1) In the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer, or is employed in the army, air force, navy,
    coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard in the line of duty and
    pursuant to military regulations, or is in the actual discharge of duties as a correctional officer employed by a penal
    institution; or

    (2) On the person's own premises or premises under the person's control or who is the employee or agent of the owner of the
    premises with responsibility for protecting persons or property.



    [Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 1029, § 4; 2001, ch. 345, § 1.]

    if that has changed I would love to know. I will call the DA's office to conferm. As the laws stands now you can carry into a place that sales but you can not carry into a place that sales for on premises consumption. Their is a big difference between the two.
     
  17. c_yeager

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    Depending on your state you may or may not be able to use your CHL as ID. In Washington a CPL is a valid *secondary* form of ID, but it cannot be used as a primary ID by itself because it lacks a photograph.
     
  18. Carlos

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    The CHL was issued for one purpose, dude, not to show off. Nope, I haven't had a similar experience, and I suggest you cease to use your CHL permit as a form of identification.
     
  19. OH25shooter

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    Just last week I was at Sam's Club (associated with Wal*Mart) and the magnetic strip on the credit card was disfunctional. When I got my picture taken for a new card I needed two forms of picture ID. Gave the gal my driver's license and handed her my Ohio CCW permit with a picture attached. She never questioned it and simply wrote down the number. Very easy. But, if I had another form of picture ID, I would not have used the CCW permit card.
     
  20. Taurus 617 CCW

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    Thanks for all the imput guys. I normally do not use it as ID. I have a few others that will work as ID instead. I will take your advice on concealing the CCW permit.
     
  21. Vern Humphrey

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    The best reason for using a CCW as ID is to accustom people to seeing it, and knowing how many ordinary, everyday people carry. It's good advertising for our side.
     
  22. esheato

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    I typically don't advertise either. The element of surprise is the only thing I've got going for me. On another note, I've had cashiers refuse to accept my active duty military ID. Needless to say, I usually walk out.

    Ed
     
  23. Delta Dave

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    Okay, so there I was trying to complete the registration for a new postoffice box. The USPS guy asked for my driver's license and a second form of ID. He is a friendly sort of fellow all smiles and he seemed to enjoy his work and the opportunity to interact with the public. When I handed him driver's license he looked it over and remarked that I sure looked ugly in that picture--a true fact, it was a very bad day when the picture was taken. I smiled and commented that it wasn't the worst one I had and then asked what form of other ID he needed. He replied that anything but a credit card or social security card would work and that a picture would be nice. The only other thing I have in wallet is my CHL, which happens to have the ugliest picture ever take of my ugly mug on its face. So I handed it to him. He looked it over and we both laughed and he said that if he had known that I had one of those he wouldn't have made the comment about the bad picture on the driver's license. :D
     
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    Welcome Delta Dave !!
     
  25. TexasRifleman

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    OK, what about the poor TSA ninjas at the airport? You think they would be trained in recognizing governtment issued IDs?

    I use my Texas CHL now and then for ID just to cause trouble. You'd be surprised how many times they have to call a supervisor over for help.

    They generally start off with "I need a drivers license". I reply with "I don't drive, the sign says government issued ID, this is issued by DPS, same as a drivers license."

    I always end up with a supervisor having to intervene. Luckily these folks seem to have attended a class or were born with a clue. Once they are involved things are polite and speedy.

    I usually do it when I have some time to kill before a flight.
     
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