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CCW without permit

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DasFriek, Jun 8, 2009.

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  1. DasFriek

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    This question has made me want to ask how most of the gun enthusiests feel about this.Im not condoning,nor criticizing people for thier beliefs or actions.

    What im asking is we all know the 2nd ammendmant gives us the right to "Bear arms" and id like to know how people take this and dont feel they should have to have local permits too ccw?

    Personally,i dont ccw at all for the moment.But i could see me soon getting a permit.But if i seen a reason i have no qualms to ccw if i feel a situation warrents it.
    My feeling on that is i take a risk of getting caught and risking alot in doing so,but im a law abiding citizen and would only ever use it to save my life or others.
     
  2. tuckerdog1

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    Gun nuts:confused:
     
  3. DasFriek

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    fixed,i have slang words for everything.
     
  4. paul45

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    Your post indicates otherwise.
     
  5. CYANIDEGENOCIDE

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    he could be a law abiding citizen if he lived in vermont. no permit needed for ccw.
     
  6. 50caliber123

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    I'm not defending him, but didn't Ted Nugent say something along the lines of "The Second Amendment is my concealed carry permit"? However frowned upon, I sense at least some people are in favor of not having to acquire a permit for what they feel is a right, but will follow the rules and jump through the hoops b/c its the law.
     
  7. SaxonPig

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    Some people argue that requiring a permit to exercise one's Second Amendment rights is illegal. They say the Constitution is all the permit they need to carry a gun. In theory they are right. In practice, the state imposes many restrictions on Constitutional rights.

    You can eschew the carry permit if you wish, but your argument will not win in court. I prefer not to be a convicted criminal. Frankly, I don't see where the permit system does one damn thing to combat crime or violence. It exists solely as state imposed control on the citizens. But the state is powerful enough to get away with it.

    For now...
     
  8. tuckerdog1

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    Best part of the reply.

    Tuckerdog1
     
  9. Nate1778

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    Too an extent I agree completely, I feel that CC permits are a stepping stone to full out registration. Guys will get on here and say I am breaking the law, but technically the highest law in the land says I am not. I mean the same guys that say I would be breaking the law, are these the same guys that will give up their guns to a full out ban one day, just because of a law. I will get my CC permit, but I do not think it is right to have to do so. This all goes back to the "No Guns" sign on the door, criminals are not taking this class. Its just another bureaucratic way to control the law abiding masses.
     
  10. DeepSouth

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    It has been said, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

    That said, If they wouldn't issue me a permit I'd probably carry anyway. Probably not as often and probably much more discretely, but I would be willing to break their (illegal/unconstitunal) law to protect my family, in some cases.
    But they will issue me a permit so I can think of no good reason why not to have one.


    I disagree: it is perfectly legal to ignore laws contrary to the Constatution. Now you'll likely go to jail for it anyway, but it is technically legal.
     
  11. DasFriek

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    but i am a law abiding citizen,as i have not carried my gun.
    but stated i see there may be times when i felt it neccesary to do so.
    i fully agree that getting a permit is the only smart option,and be 100% in compliance with the law.
    and the Ted Nugent comment was one ive read here before,and at times i can agree with that,but most times i dont.
    guys im not looking for answers to make me want to or feel better about carrying a ccw,i wont be.

    mabey this isnt a great topic as i can see it ruffling alot of feathers.but i felt it may be possible to discuss feelings over it and not try and legitamizing breaking the law.
     
  12. danprkr

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    Yes it was Nugent who said that, and I totally agree. He's said in his writings, and I saw him say it in an interview on PBS once. Can't remember the show's name, but it was the one they have late at night with the totally black background.

    I have had and will most likely have again a CCW permit just to avoid the hassle. But, I don't believe that I morally have to, it's just a convenience for me.

    No, you probably wouldn't win with that argument because hypocritically the Supreme Court would say that the states aren't bound by the constitution, but they are when it's convenient for the gov to say so on other issues. I'd love for someone with the money to test it, but I can see why they wouldn't want to.
     
  13. DasFriek

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    btw guys i reported my 1st post to have this moved to the legal section.i didnt see that was even there.
     
  14. danprkr

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    Totally agree! Those rights did NOT come from the government, they are acknowledged in the Constitution as coming from God, and therefore take precedent over any earthly regulation.
     
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    Ted Nugent can do as he likes, his money and fame help him avoid alot of daily crap we have to put up with. How many honest/good cops would want to go down in history as the LEO that busted Ted Nugent. Now if he were a scumbag, as some of the rappers are, it would be a different story.
     
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    Well here's my take on the subject: If it's OK for a CCW'er to carry and take a snort/drink, then what's wrong with carrying and not have the permit to do so? If theis thread doesn't get closed and locked for the proposal of doing unlawful acts then this must not be The High Road.:scrutiny:
     
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    What could be more discreet than a properly carried concealed weapon? :confused:
     
  18. Benelli Shooter

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    Part of the answer to this thread is understanding and accepting your inner outlaw. Our corrupt government has passed so many illegal laws that it is impossible to live FREE and not be in violation of one or more of them. There is nothing you can do about this.

    Live your life. Obey the laws you believe in.
     
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    no it doesn't. The right to keep and bear arms predates the constitution. The 2nd amendment simply (is supposed to) protect that right from being stripped away by the government.
     
  20. Zangetsu

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    If it's a matter of life and death, and this is the only option left to you...do what you gotta do to stay safe. I've often wondered what I would do if I was in a situation where a CCW would save lives, seeing as I live in a state where it's completely illegal, and the only thing I can tell you with certainty is that I would be mad as hell. If you know something is going to happen that is going to put your life or the lives of your loved ones at risk, it's just as Deep South said...better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
     
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    I know a good ole boy that years ago before the CC laws saved a young bartenders life carrying a CW. Cops never said a word to him, it ended in an arrest as opposed to a death though.
     
  22. EdLaver

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    I dont feel that you should have to pay a total of $350 (class and state fees) to get a permit when it is our given right under the constitution. But, its just like vehicle registration, just another way to milk money out of the citizens. Think of how much money is made from vehicle registration yearly, thats alot of money for all active driving vehicles. In my opionion you should only have to register a vehicle when purchased and if ever sold, not every year. Same with CCW, you should have to take a class for a one time fee and thats it, no more renewing fees every three years. ONE TIME CLASS FEE AND DONE!
     
  23. Rockwell1

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    Isn't that what Jeffrey Dahmer did?

    Ted Nugent said, on "Texas Monthly" , "The second amendment to our Bill of Rights is my concealed carry permit period"

    Then he went out and had himself declared a "special constable" of the state of Texas so he could carry anywhere under LEOSA. Bit of a hypocrite if you ask me.
     
  24. DeepSouth

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    This is a good valid point that I, for one, had never thought of.
    Thanks for pointing it out.

    I'm just saying I take twice the measures to make sure I wasn't printing. A full size 1911 probably wouldn't be my CCW in that case for instance, mabey be a Kel-Tec or something.
     
  25. Pistol Toter

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    Nate,
    That's the qualifier in your statement. As a youngster, I can remember the Sheriff telling my Dad to shoot the escaped convict that had been sleeping in our barn. He further added that he the convict was already paid for. That kind of comment won't be uttered in todays world and never again. Attitudes have changed and not for the better. But we are judged by our actions based on the law not our intentions regardless as to the meaning. To carry that firearm without being duly permitted is frought with danger in that it is by prevailing law illeagal one would be guilty of braking that law. Now, by morals you do what you have to do. I'm certinaly not going to admitt on this internet that I have ever performed an infraction of any law which is the basis of my first comment above. Back to the quoted, what ever part of grammer that is, is that what was accepted years ago is not acceptable now.
     
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