Cecil the lion. The truth.

That reminded me:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html
Goodwell Nzou, "In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions", New York Times, 4 Aug 2015. Guest Op-ed.

And: did any of the money collected by PETA go to the support of Zimbabweans who would have had jobs or otherwise benefited from legal, controlled hunting? Or did it go to anti-hunting campaigns?

 

ok lets just eliminate all hunting in Africa. no seriously lets just do it.

within 15 years all species would be gone. anything that eats a cow or eats what a cow does would be extinct.

the locals would exterminate any species that have no monetary value. they would do it with snares,foot traps and by any other means they can. often very inhumanely.

lets just do it!.!. all the big predators would be gone and all the grass eating animals would be gone..



no tourism and no hunting dollars, lets see how they like it? no americans coming to ther ****** country spending literally thousands of dollars to hunt game. or even just look at game.

I have just about had it with 3rd world countries acting like we are extincting there game herds by shooting the old and the weak.

if yu don't want us there then pass a law agin it.



lets see how they like it?

 

i have been close to lions and one lepord in africa with a 375 H&H in hand and still was scared a little, with out the rifle i would have been scared <deleted>. eastbank.

 

I get the impression Africans welcome hunting tourism.
The hunting bans come from the US and EU anti-hunters who want to see lions past their prime killed when caught raiding livestock (or people), or dying like the one in the article emanciated with a belly full of indigestible porqupine quills.

 

when i was in boswana for the second time, there were two new trackers whom came from kenya because they stopped hunting in certain areas.i know that hunting puts money and food into the native population and with out it the smaller villages will have a hard time of it. i take clothes that i can,t wear and give it away along with small flash lights and knives. and tip any time i can. a good tracker is worth the cost as he may find a animal you wounded, a good skinner will insure your cape is done right and the camp workers will make sure your stay is enjoyable.i would sooner be in the bush with them than in some cities. eastbank.

 

Anti-hunters are the most ignorant, misinformed, dangerous and illogical bunch of self-righteous morons around.

They are the biggest threat to wildlife conservation in Africa, before the poaching and subsistence agriculture.

This is the professional opinion of someone who has spent years in the bush, and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars from his own pocket - for the conservation of wildlife and natural resources.

 

The end is never pretty when you're old, sick and/or crippled. Don't matter if you're a Lion, Deer or Human. Funny how when our favorite dog or horse get sick we put it down to "put them outta their misery", while we make Grandpa suffer with Alzheimer's disease or our friends with Terminal Cancer suffer with excruciating pain, because we are "not animals!". Many anti hunters have been put off a some point by hunters showing a lack of respect for their quarry, like hauling their dead buck around in the back of a truck for a week to make sure the whole town sees it, or listening to a slob hunter shoot off their mouth about "whack 'em and stack 'em!" . While anti's can be ignorant and misinformed, sometimes as hunters, we can be our own worst enemy. The fact that hunting and hunters do more good than harm for wildlife, is true for most of the world, not just Africa. While scenarios like Cecil the lion are highly publicized, if anti hunting folks know the truth about how much hunters help their local wildlife, they might understand the African situation better. Folks see Japanese whaling ships depleting the oceans of large mammals and relate that to Lions. Folks see commercials on T.V. about illegal Rhino hunting for horn and relate that to legal Rhino culling. Don't matter if it's Cecil or Grandpa, folks need to look at life realistically, and judge each scenario appropriately. I been watching my neighbor next door make his old bird dog suffer because he doesn't have the heart to put her down. He thinks he's letting her live for her sake, but he's only really making her suffer for his. Basically the same boat as those anti hunting folks and Cecil.

 

You can change anti hunters it takes calm and well thought conversations until you convince them their doing far more harm to wildlife with their actions and inactions plus total lack of knowledge that all life is a circle and only hunters and fishermen work all the time and together to support all wildlife.
Keep at it until they feel guilty and slink away or even better.take them fishing.They are just very very un informed .

 

respectively sir, your are wrong in about 90% of cases.. facts, figures and statistacs don't mean doodely to a anti.

you can show them what not hunting a certain species results in. disease and horrible deaths and they do not care! they are not smart enuf to put 2 and 2 together.

yes they are un informed and prefer to stay that way.

you sir may of used your tactics to change a few minds and I commend yu if you did. but as a rule, these minds are not open to change period.

that's just my experience. I don't have the patience to argue with stupid people,yu may have the patience.. most don't.




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A lot of these anti-hunting folks forget that the human population is increasing. Animals in competition with people always lose, unless they are legally protected. Even with legal protection people that are in competition with animals will still put pressure on them indirectly. Unless animals are in someone's interest they are not going to be safe in the long term.

 

Don't forget....these are the same people who claim to care about animals rights and probably post on their web blogs from Starbucks, strip malls, or their apartments, where there once was prairie, pasture, or woods where animals they claim to care about so much, once lived. It's not ok to kill the animals. But it's ok to take their natural habitat to build buildings and parking lots.

 

While there may be some groups that are cult-like in the misplaced or excessive admiration of Animals, most of the time a cult is defined as a small group. Folks that believe in Animal Rights is not a small group. As a matter of fact, I am one that believes in animal rights and I'm a active hunter. Animal Rights is the belief that Animals surely deserve to live their lives free from suffering and exploitation......and they have a value completely separate from their usefulness to humans. Anyone here not believe this? Problem is, sometimes animals suffer and die naturally. Many times man putting them down before they suffer too long is better than how nature would do it, especially in the case of old, sick and starvation. Because man and his lifestyle has upset the fragile balance of prey and predators, sometimes man needs to be the apex predator and control prey populations......and sometime there is also a need to control predator populations. Man and his interaction with wildlife is not that much different than hundreds of thousands of years ago, other than the way he hunts, and the reason he hunts. While there are folks that are extreme in the way they define Animal Rights, and do more harm than good overall to wildlife.....there are also hunters that do the same........we call them poachers and slob hunters.

^^^This. Exploitation of animals and their rights is not just the act of directly killing them with a bow, trap or gun. It is also the pushing them out of their natural environment and forcing them to either adapt or die off. Many times when they adapt(like city dwelling coyotes and urban deer) they go from being just another animal in nature, to a pest. Like I said before, folks need to look at the big picture and how a multitude of little things add up to a big thing. This goes not only for Animal Rights folks, but hunters as well. Much has been argued about the reintroduction of Wolves into Yellowstone and it's effects on the environment there and the elk population. Supporters on either side are not only passionate about their stand, but also correct in their claims. Things is, both sides of the fence make the fenceline and the whole truth.

This Cecil thing has been beat to death from both sides of the fence and I doubt if there ever will be a definitive resolution on what was right and what was wrong in the incident. Folks just need to make sure that they understand the big picture and not just the little 3X5 they have in their head.

 

Some sportsmen and hunters fail to understand the impact of invasive species, specifically wild hogs. A hunter on another website went bonkers over my photo of dead hogs in a trap.

 

animal auschwitz.

 

I agree. But first you have to get them out of the city and away from the Disney Channel.

 

Well now Cecil's poor son has been murdered by another overzealous, rich, trophy hunter. I'm sitting at my desk balling my eyes out. I need a coloring book, a hug, and a therapist.

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