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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by jstert, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. jstert

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    like most folks my ccw is oriented to face the most likely threat encountered by a civilian, so it is a snubbie or small semiauto for the under 10’, 2-3 shot scenario to which both statistics and zealously antigun prosecutors lead us. it is my rule to practice alot with my ccw. i don’t do recoil. i must sometimes suffer under 10 round mag limits. so my ccw must be comfortable to shoot alot, affordable to feed alot and uncumbersome enough so that it will actually come with me in my usual, lawful but socially antigun areas.

    if the bad guy has a rifle and is shooting at walmart aisle distances, my usual go-to ccw choices (38sp or 22lr snubbie, 22lr naa mini, bond arms derringer) are out-calibered/distanced. yes i know that el paso incidents are statistically much less common, but i’m more likely to be at a walmart in daylight than at a 7-11 gas station after dark.

    all that said, is anyone else asking the same question about their ccw choice? i’m not looking to start a caliber war since for me a hit with a rimfire trumps a miss with anything, and no pistol ammo incapacitates a threat with concussive shock waves or proximity fuse shrapnel. i’m thinking more along the lines of using what is in my current toolkit rather than going out for new weapons, ammo and training regimens.

    so here is my (heretical) ccw answer: ruger sr22. thin and light enough with at least 2 extra mags to be a comfortable ccw. i enjoy to practice alot, really alot, with mine, so i know and handle it well. i can reliably hit center mass targets at 50’ (darn good for me). i’m liking 30 cci stingers that i can accurately deliver on target fairly fast. thanks all!
     
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  2. Browning

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    It’s not just active shooters.



    Regular bad guys also use both mag fed semi auto rifles and AR pistols/Draco AK pistols.

    Not really, no. I’m generally already carrying either a G26 with a 12 rd mag and two 17 rd reloads on me and 22 rd spares in the truck or a CZ P10C with two 17 rd reloads.

    I also have a spare gun/mags in the truck.

    I already have a decent training regimen and go to classes regularly and the range at least once every two weeks at the minimum.

    Short of carrying around a semi auto mag fed rifle of my own in daily life with body armor on that’ll have to be good enough.
     
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  3. 460Shooter

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    No. Any handgun is going to be a poor match for a rifle of any centerfire chambering. Also, the chances of you being involved in a mass shooting incident are statistically very low. You are more likely to get murdered walking the streets of south Chicago at night than you are of being gunned down by a armed madman.

    Carry what makes you feel comfortable. I carry, a Sig P938 Legion that's 8 rounds max capacity. My gun is chosen because I feel it offers me a good balance of capacity, concealability, and shootability, and because I feel it will accomplish what a CC handgun is meant for, to get me away from an attacker.

    Attacks like the ones perpetrated recently give me no reason to change what I do.
     
  4. Fine Figure of a Man

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    The incident in El Paso didn't change my mind on what gun to carry or anything else.
     
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  5. Texas10mm

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    1. alot is not a word.

    2. .22 lr is a very poor choice for a EDC. Sure it might stop the threat after a while. That's most likely not going to keep you from being killed before the threat stops. The ONLY time a .22 lr is a good EDC choice would be when it's the ONLY choice.
     
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  6. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I would much rather a person have the resolve to take the SOB out. We already know handguns suck in a rifle fight. No I'm not changing my EDC. What people need to do more of is train and prepare for this and other types of scenarios. Id rather have training and no gun then a gun and no training. What we really need more of is people who will ENGAGE the threat. We can't keep saying "only a good guy with a gun" crap if there are no "good guys" there or even worse not willing to intervene. We see what happens when they go unchallenged and what happens when they are. If your willing to carry a gun but not run into fire to stop the aggression then your not different from an easy target like the others by the guy with the rifle. Carry what you will, train ( PROPER training), prepare to engage, but the most important thing is to have a lick of courage the willingness to RUN into fire is not something that can be learned.
     
  7. JONWILL

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    I carry a J frame sized gun in 9mm. Ruger LCR to be exact. I am not going to hunt the perp down find cover and protect those around me. If he approaches then I start firing

    Too many chances of getting popped by the police coming it looking for a guy with a gun. They have no idea who the bad guy and good guys are or do you.

    What if you shoot an undercover cop who happens to be there when the shooting starts?
     
  8. GEM

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    I second the calls for training for competence over a simple hardware solution. If you carry a snubby, have you trained with it? Have you competed with it?

    Shooting a few rounds at a 7 yard away square range target isn't really enough for a serious person. We do know almost all CCW types don't train at all.

    If you could carry a 22 LR and hit something under stress you might be better prepared than Mr. Taurus 85 that fired 25 rounds five years ago.
     
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  9. Texas10mm

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    I'd guess 90% of LTC/CCW license holders shoot less than 100 rounds a year.
     
  10. shoobe01

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    1) Always carry. If that means a smaller gun, that's better than a bigger gun locked up back home, or in the glove box.

    2) Tactics over equipment. Know how far away you can shoot, accurately. Defend first. Yourself, and your family/friends. Only fire when that's the best answer. How about in weird positions? On the move? Take cover first. Not concealment, cover. Don't be a threat to others, such as responding police (not just to survive, but to not split their response).

    3) Non-gun equipment may be more important. Lights? Communications (e.g. battery so the phone will always work). Do you have a TQ or bandage? Etc.
     
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  11. GEM

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    http://blog.krtraining.com/beyond-the-one-percent-part-1/
    http://blog.krtraining.com/beyond-the-one-percent-part-2/

    Pretty good analysis of the situation and how dismal the training state of the population is. Even in TX. I've had no luck getting friends who talk guns, have gun safes full of such, to go out to compete or train. We have great resources around San Antonio but they don't. They shoot at a square target every few months, if at all, and think that is sufficient.

    The analysis is that many males fear looking stupid. They think they should instinctive warriors and don't want to test that.
     
  12. CDW4ME

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    I already carry a Glock 19 or 23 (plus a spare mag) regardless of location, daylight/dark.
    Glock 19 size conceals easily with minimal clothing: shorts, a-frame (wife beater) and a cover shirt.
    Also carry 2nd option pocket gun in weak hand pocket, at least 9mm.
    I'm not going out in public wearing less clothes than that.
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  13. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I practice with my snub. I try one handed reloads and shooting non dominant hand as well as prone shooting. Not much else.
     
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  14. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Where do you recommend training in SA? I've gone to schools in Tennessee to train didn't know SA had any "real" schools. ( Only ones I saw were run by competition shooters and NRA instructors and not focused on tactics.)
     
  15. GEM

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    For competition - I recommend, for IDPA:

    1. Texastactical.net
    2. Bandera Gun club - contact Tim at https://tdrtraining.com/
    3. https://www.sensibleselfdefense.com/

    I'm not much of a USPSA shooter. I do shoot steel once in awhile

    For training:

    The best is krtraining.com. It's a touch of a drive from here but Karl Rehn is a highly respected national level trainer.
    Tim and Eric at # 2 and 3 are good. I don't much about their schedules though. I would go with Karl, with no prejudice against the others.

    Karl does a wonderful job on tactics as well as technical shooting. He presents at Tom Givens' conference each year which only the best go to.

    A general guide to the area is:
    https://www.krtraining.com/FAQs/AustinGunFAQ.HTML
     
  16. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Thank You!
     
  17. George P

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    You really live in that bad of an area?
     
  18. Browning

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    No. Actually the area I live in is actually pretty nice.

    However I work in bad areas. I’m regularly responding to shootings, stabbings, aggravated assaults, rapes and assaults.

    I regularly pass through bad areas and my brother lives in one. I’m over there trying to help him out with things pretty much every day I’m off.

    I also grew up in a bad area (Los Angeles area. Highland Park and El Monte Ca) before finally moving to Texas.

    Perhaps this has all colored my thinking. Doesn’t change the fact that approximately three weeks ago I saw a guy get shot on Ferguson rd in Dallas on my way somewhere else.

    Living in a “good area” doesn’t mean too much. Criminals operate in good areas too. They drive through. They set up shop by renting houses in areas that aren’t under close scrutiny by the police. People let that sort of thing color their thinking. Sure, less things happen but it doesn’t eliminate it completely.
     
  19. BlueHeelerFl

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    A decent percentage of the crimes committed in my county are done by people from bigger cities in Northern and Southern FL.

    Almost every recent mall robbery ( people stealing thousands from Victoria's Secret or the outlet mall) are from out of town.

    There was also a home invasion committed by a couple from out of town.
     
  20. Texas10mm

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    That sounds about right. My gun club holds defensive pistol matches once a month. Out of 750 members we get around 12-15 members at a match, depending on weather.

    I've not had any formal training. I do shoot weekly, practice drawing from the holster, movement, and such. I burn ~500 rounds a week in practice.

    I'm old, slow, and broken. I'll never "win" one of our matches due to movement limitations. What I strive for are perfect stages.

    I alternate my weapon every month. One month I shoot my Canik TP9SFX with a red dot on it, the next month I shoot a iron sighted 1911. I need to throw my Sig P365 into the mix though.
     
  21. GEM

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    Me too! I'm a sloth in time. However,when I was only three points down in a carbine match, the best points down - I was happy. I compete to interact with my squad of great days and practice my skills of hitting the targets well. I shoot about 3 to 4 times a month.
     
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    The best I've done is five perfect stages out of six. I should have quit at five because I totally blew the sixth stage.
     
  23. Tallball

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    I have been carrying a BAR ever since.

    "You just have to dress around your firearm."
     
  24. Charlie98

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    I came to that very conclusion some years ago. I was carrying a .45ACP 1911... but it stayed in the truck most of the time. I realized how stupid that was, so I switched... to the only other thing I had at the time, a Colt .380ACP. While the .380 is not as powerful as the .45, it is far more effective than a .45 in the truck console. Now that I have pulled my head out on carry pieces, I carry a 9mm Kahr of one flavor or another. All the time.

    These shootings don't make a hill of beans of difference to what I carry. Truth be told, a .22 or a .45... if you can get it into action.... can stop the threat. Rule #1: Have a pistol.
     
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    In an active shooter situation I see my main goal as getting outta Dodge and helping as many as I can leave the area with me. My primary goal is NOT to try to engage the shooter unless the person is within my effective range and there is absolutely no other viable option.
     
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