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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by jstert, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I advocated for training more than anyone here. It's not a heroes fantasy. People with the mindset of helping others don't go around thinking they're Batman and saving the day there is no "White Knight" thing going down, you are stopping violence with violence your no better then the other guy in that regard. Your better because he uses violence to take life where I would hope yours is to save life.
     
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    The problems I see with aggressively going after the shooter is being charged afterwards with a felony. Recently in Birmingham area there was a case where the first responders shot a civilian that was going after the shooter. I would first make sure my family is safe and take a defensive stand. The video of the gas station has me thinking about an AR behind the truck seat as a defensive weapon. I carry a shield 45 and my truck gun is a glock 45gap.
    We train by first shooting our CCW 1 mag and then run around a tree about 10yrds away then shoot another mag, then we shoot 2 shots from 3 different locations running between them. I loose accuracy the more we do. Some times I load a squib and put it in the mag to train for a malfunction.
     
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    My family first. I'm taking every measure to protect me and my family first that I can. Not someone who won't protect themselves. It's their choice.
     
  4. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I stated to get your family out first but to not go back and engage when you have the means is negligent and you would be held to the same status as the man with the AK whether you like it or not. If that's the way you wanna be then fine no one is gonna change your mind. I hope to God you never find you and your family in that situation.
     
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    What if something happens to me? Who's going to take care of my family?
     
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  6. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Personal responsibility means many things. Wars are not fought alone by childless people. I never said it wasnt a risk. I never said you would even come out alive. All I stated is my thoughts same as you. It's up to you to decide what's worth what and no one can judge you for that. Most likely nothing will ever happen to you, but take it from me survivors guilt and non action tear at you something fierce and you won't ever be right the same way you were I'm sure others on here service or LEO/Parsmedic/firefighters and even regular Joe's that have been in some strenuous situations can attest to.this.
     
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    Sure, and I certainly don’t think everyone advocating armed citizens take action are having hero fantasies. Some do however, and I’m advocating for realistic notions about how to help along with training.

    Batmen we are not. However, first responders we are.
     
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    Negligible? based on what FACTS and law?
     
  9. George P

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    You carry a gun to protect you and yours, NOT to play cop or superhero. Doing so is a great way to get shot by the cops while trying to save the day.
     
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    I never said law. Concealed means concealed if no one knows your carrying you do nothing and get out Scot free the only thing you have to live with is yourself. But if it did get out you may have the realm of public opinion to deal with. We saw this against the deputy in the Florida school shooting. He lost his job, no one will have anything to do with him, hell people were even trying to sue him. And before you go into the whole "he's a cop so it's expected" we are the demographic that says the most that police are not obligated to protect you.
     
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    I just advocated for training and how the hero mentality is a farce. If all you care about is you and yours get outta the situation and let better men than you handle it
     
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    Nice insult.....your posts hold no meaning for me with that attitude. What type of preacher are you?
     
  13. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    It's not an insult. If your unwilling to do anything then that's fine, but you don't get any high ground against those who would. If you want to discuss religious backgrounds on self defense or in general this is not the avenue your more than free to PM me. There's better men than me I promise you that. I can relay a situation that I didn't assist a family that still nags at my conscience. But that's a story for another time.
     
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    Seriously though. PM me. I have no work today in office and it's gonna be a snoozer to sit for 8 hrs doing nothing .
     
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    I would also like to add to my previous comment that many people from foreign countries are culturally against gun ownership. A Wal Mart full of immigrants from Western Europe would have very few carry permit owners
     
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    True. But I said before it's the willingness to do something like the two men who saved children and one confronting the attacker that makes the difference. the people with cell phone coverage is a different story.
     
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    I do not understand why people either do nothing or fill everything they see.

    That young student that died charging a shooter recently is an almost unique situation
     
  18. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Likes on social media I guess. I can understand the people running away I cannot understand the video recording. THR and LinkedIn is the extent of my social media platforms. I have no reason or desire to get thumbs up on a a Facebook or Twitter post.
     
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    What he said^^^^^

    Only difference is I would have my S&W 442.
    My CCW is for protection, not enforcement or apprehension.
     
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    Where I live, there is much more worry about going into a local convenience store than a mass murder.
     
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    San Antone has found itself to be the epicenter of human trafficking. Several family members and friends report these things to me and others. They especially go after children
     
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    You need to stop giving advice. You are talking about millions of untrained people. You want to help others, become a professional in the field of security that deals with crowds etc.
     
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    I was. And have trained people, including in shotgunning. :cool:
     
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    Walmart is not the Army, Sure does not sound like you have a clue about public safety.
     
  25. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Ahhh the shotgun.... The most effective but least understood small arm out there. We argue revolver vs auto alot but make no mistake the 12 ga pump is what I (and many others) pick up first and for good reason.
     
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