Since you (Jeb)are hung up about my qualifications; I was in the Army Feb. 86-Dec 89, MOS 76Y Unit Supply Specialist/Armorer, SMOS 45B, Small Arms Repair. Schools; Unit Supply Specialist/Armorer, Ft. Jackson, Advanced Armorer Course, Enemy Weapons Familiarization course,Field Sanitation (they had to send somebody). I was my unit's Range NCO. Evangelist Cowboy, Sorry, this is spill-over form another thread about shotguns. Actually, in a scenario like the two recent shootings, a shotgun would be my last choice, despite my skill with it.