Yessir, we're talkin new. I've also heard these Phillipine made pistols have 2 different importers: the Charles Daly imported pieces and the Armscor line that is phasing into the Rock Island pistols. Some folks on the 1911 forums say the Armscor/ RIA have better customer service - Has anyone here heard anything in that regard? I ask because thru the same dealer I can get an RIA standard model, doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Daly, for around $340. I'm wondering which would be the better deal long term when service gets factored in.