Chicago Police to use M4 carbines (Chicago Tribune)

[Dienekes]

A classic case of an increasingly inept political entity thrashing around as it weakens.

Dinosaurs in the tar pit.

 

[cherryriver]

One small point about the way things work here- Jody Weis does not make decisions. Richard Daley makes the decisions in Chicago and the County of Cook, which holds nearly a quarter of the population of the state. Also, there are few decisions made in the entire state by anyone other than Daley. The governor, attorney general, president of the state senate and the speaker of the state house of representatives are Daley operatives.
Both of the US senators are Daley operatives. Obama was manufactured in Chicago by the Daley machine.
If the CPD gets ARs, you can be assured it's part of Daley's public relations blitz. It's window dressing.
The big problem is how broke the city, county, and state are. (See: "decisions", above). The corruption is merely how loyalty is bought and paid for.
Laid over all this is Daley's conviction (we like to fantasize around here) that his handgun ban is about to be damaged or destroyed. He embarked on this giant PR tsunami trumpeting how bad things are, going from one gun control talking point to another as each disintegrated. He brought in Jesse Jackson and enlisted the faux-Reverend Micheal Pfleger, and both bombed.
He brought in national anti-gun groups such as that "legal community to end gun violence", or whatever it's called, and that was an especially spectacular failure; perhaps a dozen anti-gunners held a forum, and a hundred seventy-five pro-gun activists showed up and talked that fact trash until even the journo mob attending almost considered reporting some portion of the truth.
Much of it is backfiring, of course, now that he's getting national press for how savagely violent Chicago is.
Actually, the murder rate dropped like a rock about three years ago when he brought in an actual police officer, Phil Cline, to bust heads and chops. Amusingly, this drop coincided with the end of the Clinton "assault" weapons ban.
When the previously-cited police brutality story got going, Cline was shown the door and now we have a new marionette. He can't even keep his story straight about his work clothes, much less what he's doing to fix anything.
That's because he's just providing a mouth for the true words of the actual authority.
You can take it to the bank that the M4 thing is just another move on the giant chessboard of Machine politics.

 

[Deanimator]

So cut them some slack. Check out the link I posted earlier and read the comments found therein.

NO, I REFUSE.

The Chicago Police Department has been cut FAR too MUCH slack for FAR too LONG. It is completely out of control and no longer even PRETENDS to uphold the public trust.

As for SecondCityCop, every time despicable curs like Officer Anthony Abbate are in the news, you're GUARANTEED to see impassioned defenses of him there, not only demanding that he not be prosecuted, but that he not be FIRED for his valiant beating of an innocent woman whom he outweighed by more than 100lbs.

No, I WON'T cut them any "slack". I still have foolish relatives living in Chicago, any one of whom could end up a victim of the Chicago PD.

 

[Deanimator]

Actually, the murder rate dropped like a rock about three years ago when he brought in an actual police officer, Phil Cline, to bust heads and chops.

Yeah that "actual police officer" overruled the findings of a board and gave an officer a 30 DAY SUSPENSION for a MURDER, and lied repeatedly to the public about it. Lucky for Officer Weems that Cline was a buddy. He made up the loss of pay by PROMOTING Weems to DETECTIVE. Too bad for Weems that he got hit for a chunk of the $15MILLION judgement for the murder he walked on.

As for the murder rate, you can make it whatever you want if you control the reporting. Funny how it's been revised upward, huh?

 

[Deanimator]

A classic case of an increasingly inept political entity thrashing around as it weakens.

Dinosaurs in the tar pit.

More like Berlin 1945.

I wonder if the FBI will eventually have to work as hard as the Red Army to get Daley out of his "bunker"...

 

[RP88]

well, the way I look at it: if Illinois is so close to falling in on itself, then that means that they dont hold much political sway, and dont screw up the country for everyone else like Bloomberg and California keep trying to do. Hopefully NYC keeps failing, and CA goes back on the downward spiral.

also, is it legal for non-LEO citizens to possess assault weapons like the M4 in Chicago? I know about their brutal FOID things, but not about actual restrictions.

 

[Edmond]

also, is it legal for non-LEO citizens to possess assault weapons like the M4 in Chicago? I know about their brutal FOID things, but not about actual restrictions.

Non-LEO citizens are not allowed "assault" weapons or handguns. The handgun ban has been in place since the lady was mayor back in the 80's. She was the one who instituted the ban. Some non-LEO still have handguns legally if they were grandfathered in. But they have to be registered every year. I believe even the LEO's have to register their guns with the city as well.

 

[Intune]

Part of this is because last week a few of Chicago's finest pursued some gangbangers down an alley. The gangbangers were armed with an AK style rifle (I doubt it was an actual selectfire weapon). They were armed with only their handguns which are DAO guns in 9mm, .40S&W, or .45 ACP.

"Part of this..." What's the OTHER PART?

And, pray tell, what were the final results of such incursion into “Indian Country?” Surely someone from the Blue Brigade took one for the team? I didn’t notice any police deaths on the afore mentioned weekend. A mess of ‘em wounded? Sprained ankles? Poop in pants? Loud noises? Please, for the love of St. Nick, don’t tell me, “well, they eventually subdued the miscreants with no injuries, despite the withering incoming fire…” If no ‘bangers were killed in that alley & no cops were killed in that alley… Hmmm. Sounds like a good day.

The officers do not have access to old shotguns that are probably older than I am. …have shotguns that were built in the seventies and eighties, have shotgun shells over seven years old for the guns, have less training than other departments…

I trust this is still adhering to the High Road but there are many people that I know, if armed with a 1911 era .45, a 1943 M-38 Mauser or a 1945 Garand (insert fav old gun here) there would have been a fewer number of people exiting that alley than went in.

So, less training BUT we need to upgrade their capabilities whilst maintaining a disarmed public. :banghead:

I’m with the other gentleman (Sans Authoritas) who mentioned it first. Just cut the crap & give ‘em Bradley’s, Abrams & Hellfires. Spare us the Death of a Thousand Cuts. The water’s boiling, we’ve croaked.

 

[Autolycus]

The other part is that the bad guys are armed with rifles while the police are armed with handguns. Wouldn't you like a rifle if your enemy had one?

Thank God no cops were harmed but there is no denying that they put their lives on the line for the people of the city.

I can definitely understand the resentment but you cannot blame the cops. Blame the state and the politicians.

 

[Deanimator]

The other part is that the bad guys are armed with rifles while the police are armed with handguns. Wouldn't you like a rifle if your enemy had one?

They have cops who allegedly (according to their own sworn testimony) can't handle a Ruger SP101 revolver. You want to give them machineguns?

Thank God no cops were harmed but there is no denying that they put their lives on the line for the people of the city.

Some of them do. Some of them like to steal, hit women and sell drugs. It's more important to get rid of those people first than to give them machineguns. I have a better idea. Get the criminals out of the Chicago PD, THEN give the HONEST ones what they need.

I can definitely understand the resentment but you cannot blame the cops. Blame the state and the politicians.

Yeah, you CAN blame the cops. The politicians have a lot to be blamed for, but it wasn't the politicians running a home invasion ring and stomping on barmaids. That was the cops, and they deserve every bit of the blame.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

The whole recent 'police fired on by gang member w/ AK story' has some intersting wrinkles in it if you read up on it. Obviously everyone here is happy no police got hurt in the exchange.

With the way Daley is thrashing about regarding guns these days there is a distinctly up-beat feeling in Illinois (at least on the state level) that people aren't buying his baloney arymore.

Chicago is just not an economic engine for the rest of the state as it once might have been; and everyone in the hinterlands is 1) sick of paying 2) tired of hearing how our rights should be infringed in the holy name of 'but can't we BAN something today.

 

[Deanimator]

Chicago is just not an economic engine for the rest of the state as it once might have been

The question is which will go broke first, the city or the state.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

BOTH are in the hole so far light it isn't even escaping anymore. The problem is that Daley and his younger protege who is nominally the Govorner somehow believe that Chicago, Cook County, and the rest of IL are in the same hole.

The thing (getting back on the M-4's) is that I truly WANT Armalite to get the contract like they did for the ISP carbines. Somehow though, that will end up being too non-PC for Daley to swallow.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

These are airsoft, I take it. Neither cops nor citizens need guns in Chicago from what I hear - it's a crime-free utopia due to gun bans.

 

[Deanimator]

The thing (getting back on the M-4's) is that I truly WANT Armalite to get the contract like they did for the ISP carbines. Somehow though, that will end up being too non-PC for Daley to swallow.

If I were Armalite, I'd refuse to sell them a single gas ring.

 

[ilbob]

Chicago is a big mess just waiting to implode. the only thing that might help Chicago is to put 90% of the current politicians in Chicago/Cook County in the federal pen, along with their cronies. I am not sure there is enough space for all those crooks in jail. You might have to build a few more.

Sadly, I suspect that even if you took 1000 of the most crooked politicians in Cook County and locked them up, the voters would vote in the next 1000 most crooked politicians into office in their place.

 

[Deanimator]

Sadly, I suspect that even if you took 1000 of the most crooked politicians in Cook County and locked them up, the voters would vote in the next 1000 most crooked politicians into office in their place.

And that indeed is the problem. Chicagoans appear to actually LIKE being robbed and brutalized.

The ultimate example of this is of course the fact that Daley gets reelected, with apparent majority Black support, even though he was State's Attorney when the worst of the police torture was going on, which oddly enough was NOT directed primarily at Lapplanders.

 

[Intune]

Oldskoolfan, welcome to The High Road! What are you a fan of? Motorcycles, Wrigley Field, music? Pull up a seat by the coffee, great folks here.

Now let me pull up my cyber sleeves & just rip into your post! Naw, I’m too sarcastic for my own good. After a while here you’ll notice a few of us enjoy playing the role of DA (devil’s advocate) and no harm is intended.

The other part is that the bad guys are armed with rifles while the police are armed with handguns.

Well, no. That was the first part to the first part. I thought you had more to add to the second part of the first part. Then the other part would be as clear as the first part.

So, actually, the only part is that Chi cops want M4’s and their reasoning is that out of all the interactions with the public in the last decade there was ONE incident where a perp had an SAR-1 or AK-pattern rifle. Was it even fired at the police or are they that scary just to look at up there?

Wouldn't you like a rifle if your enemy had one?

Whoa! “…enemy?” When do you go to the police academy? Protect & Serve or Eradicate & Annihilate?

I’d prefer tactics & training plus these guys at my disposal:

I do believe they have a unit called TRU (Tactical Response Unit) that may have some access to long-arms and which wears BDU style uniforms. They saturate areas shootings and other outbreaks of gang activity or violence.

Thank God no cops were harmed but there is no denying that they put their lives on the line for the people of the city.

Thank God NO ONE was harmed. And God Bless the loggers who are out there every day doing one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet to provide for us.

I can definitely understand the resentment but you cannot blame the cops. Blame the state and the politicians.

“Resentment?” “Blame?” I haven’t lived in the Chitown area since ’71.

I’m just delighted that the Chief of police came out with that statement,

if we’re this frightened out there that we feel the need for full-auto firearms, when we’re already trained, armed & with backup and tactical units, just think how the average Chicago citizen feels, defenseless and alone. I demand that our mayor, governor & state legislatures give the people an opportunity to legally defend themselves. The current situation is unacceptable. If we need M4's, the citizens that we have sworn to Protect & Serve, need them even more. God Bless the loggers...

Oops, that speech musta been shelved ‘till the next crime spree.

If I were wont to find blame I would probably assign it to the people of Cook/Chi who put up with this bull. But I’m not. So I won’t.

 

[The Tourist]

You are responsible for every round you fire.

Police hit about 25% of the time.

Now they are going to get automatic weapons?

 

[IllHunter]

I've been too busy to log on..

and this topic got rolling whilst I was scheming and planning and writing my reps. Imagine the nerve...last week after 39 or 40 shootings in the city where handguns have been outlawed since 1983, and the new top cop responds by railing against "assault weapons"(which have been outlawed since 2007) and only six days later decides to arm the corrupt police with said assault weapons!!!:banghead:
Try this logic. Daley wants the Olympics in 2016, tons and tons of money to be scammed. Billions. He thinks it will cement his legend. He fears things will go south(an that be possible) if USSC supportd Heller and the Chicago ban falls (even if it takes 5 years from 6/08, think 2013)the citizens will start defending themselves and the OK corral will look like Disney. He must start now, beefing up the CPD to control the masses, both good and evil. Also, movement is afoot for the suburban portion of Cook county to suceed from the county (the NW burbs). This would rob Daley of tax income while his puppet is trying to avoid indictment while not being able to influence the senate or house. The government is stalled and even the MSM is starting to leak the truth.More to follow

 

[IllHunter]

Just checking to see if anyone got indicted...

not yet, but one of Daleys guys is going to prison for selling city jobs.http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=175028&src=109
that must add a little pucker factor to 'da mayer! It's getting hotter and hotter and spring ain't even sprung. Imagine what the summer will bring. I just got a summons to Jury duty at the Daley Center for May and I can only hope and pray I'll get to nail some political pric_ or maybe just a junky. The brass ring would be a county pol, I need some retribution

 

[romma]

I just got a sumons to Jury duty at the Daley Center for May and I can only hope and pray I'll get to nail some political pric_ or maybe just a junky.

Any Junky in particular? Do you mean an addict? Not all addicts or "Junkies" are violent criminals that need "Nailing"...

 

[The Tourist]

Not all addicts or "Junkies" are violent criminals that need "Nailing"...

No, you're right, but they breed crime.

What do you think that drug dealer has under his jacket, a water pistol?

And what about all of the other vices that flood into the area? Like gambling and prostitution. In my area we had two hip-hop clubs closed due to the numerous shootings.

However, considering that environment, do you think automatic weapons will quell the crimes? I have my doubts.

 

[romma]

No, you're right, but they breed crime.

Well heck, if that's the case, than you could easily say our government breeds crime by creating the illicit market to begin with..

It's not the war on drugs, it's the war on altered states of consciousness...

 

[Neo-Luddite]

If I were Armalite, I'd refuse to sell them a single gas ring.

It's an admirable idea--and we all know the Pres of Armalite made a FOOL out of Rep. Kotowski over the AR-50 at a press conference. Still, it won't happen because citizens of Chi CAN go buy an AR in Illinois yet--just not in the city. Of course, the CAGE unit might get wind and try to raid your house over it, but I digress.

Daley wouldn't do it BECAUSE Armalite commonly sells to all citizens. He'll go Colt or, failing that, say go buy your own. Remember, this is the same man who said that retired CP officers are *NOT* allowed to carry concealed weapons in spite of the fact that he has no authority to make such proclimations.

There could be good RKBA spin for Armalite and the state if done right.