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China - rural unrest

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Faithless, Nov 25, 2004.

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  1. Faithless

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    The giant wakes - The Chinese poor demand their share

    In recent months, Foreign Report has issued warnings about the state of the Chinese economy. By all accounts it is enjoying a boom but there are clear signs that the economy is running into trouble. Protests and disorders are spreading in urban factories and through the rural community.

    In October, sociologist Lu Xueyi wrote in the China Daily of the social inequalities operating in the country and warned: "China is at the crossroads. It can either smoothly evolve into a medium-level developed country or it can slide into stagnation and chaos."

    There are limited references to such events in the Chinese press, although it seems the latest public order disturbances are just the tip of the iceberg of social unrest that may lie in the path of the nation's long-running economic boom, which has served to highlight an increasing social inequality in China.

    According to the Communist Party magazine Outlook, there were more than 58,000 demonstrations throughout China last year, or around 160 a day, and these protests are becoming ever more serious.

    For example, on 29 October, 100,000 farmers turned out in Hanyuan County in Sichuan to protest about the building of the huge Pubugou hydroelectric dam on the Dadu river, and the consequent displacement of thousands of farmers without, as they saw it, adequate compensation. Some 10,000 police were unable to maintain order, leading to the deployment of another 10,000 troops the following day. In a more serious incident at the end of October, 10,000 armed police and the imposition of martial law were required to quell violent clashes in Zhongmou county in central Henan province. Before order was restored, official figures say that seven people were killed in the dispute, while the New York Times reports as many as 148 dead, including 18 policemen.

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  2. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    What, you say that people are tired of the Communists living off of the the sweat and blood of the productive class?

    And they're protesting as a result?

    Why I am shocked, shocked.
     
  3. LoneStranger

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    Some years ago we were regaled with many stories about how great? the Japanese Society was and how it was going to control the world. Since then the problems they have had with an aging population, massive financial fraud, and other issues have caused them to not become the "Only Shining Path" for the future as originally billed.

    The same could be said about the French, British, Germans, Americans, and others as specified by time and place.

    What you are seeing is that most Empires, especially those based on totalitarian systems, tend to have feet of clay. The type of clay just varies between them.

    The Chinese at this point seem to find themselves in a johnny-come-lately situation. They will have to move to far, to quick to just maintain their situation. Such does not bode well for future relations.

    Their need to examine several thousand years of Chinese culture and determine which of the various "Survival" elements in that culture, that have worked relatively well over the centuries, have to be eliminated or modified is a colossal undertaking. Then play that against trying to modify the attitudes of the Billion or so chinese running around.

    Think about our cultures determining that women were not property and could actually be allowed to read, write, and have a voice in our society?
    Just happened while you were out of the office last week? Right! And I won't even mention numerous other issues(?) that have been dealt with or are being dealt with.

    I do not envy the Chinese and I really wish them the best in trying to advance their society but I can't help but feel a number of issues are going to eat them up and it will just be damn dangerous while it is happening.

    And please, I am not singling out the Chinese, there are several other areas and ethnic groups with similiar situations.

    MAY YOU LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES :rolleyes:
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    China's workers and peasants need to stop protesting and take to the roof tops with rifles.
     
  5. Wildalaska

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    Not allowed to have em...guess thats why they are downtroden


    WildpreheathteovenAlaska
     
  6. Bemidjiblade

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    not sure..

    I'm not sure, but doesn't the Chinese national anthem have some phrases about charging machine gun nests or something? No wonder they don't allow rifles. Plus, the police have the same bullet-to-body ration problem that comes up when my friends talk about Chinese aggression. If they can't control unarmed mobs... imagine the problems the govt would have w/ an armed populace.

    Also... I'm surprised that many more deaths aren't happening (maybe not being reported). China has its own history of bloody and chaotic periods, and I'm sure the govt would do almost anything to prevent that.
     
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    Maybe we should start dropping Liberator pistols all over the countryside. :D
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    I'll concede the point, although it's my understanding communist China's army is many millions strong. A mere handful of armed units in a sudden anti-communist mood could make an enormous difference, as could an armory taken over by commoners.

    I'll stand by my prediction that the communist dynasty will crash before this decade is out. How violently it will fall remains to be seen, and of course, the gods themselves probably couldn't predict what will ensue.
     
  9. c_yeager

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    Wait, this doesnt make sense.

    INEQUALITY?!?!

    Isnt the whole point of communism happiness and equality for all regardless of intelligence, ability, or initiative? Man, news like this is enough to make me ask for a refund on my tuition.
     
  10. feedthehogs

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    Exchange politicians and entitlement scammers with communists and bingo, your back in the US.
     
  11. c_yeager

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    well, actually you arent by any means whatsoever. but, hey go with it if it makes you happy.
     
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    Along with Chinese translated copies of Ayn Rand's book "Atlas Shrugged."
     
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    We like to believe the bumper sticker at the lead of every news article. I call it a bumper sticker, others call it a headlines.

    Contrary to the bumper stickers, China is not a capitalist leviathian. It is a command economy where the rulers have learned a few free market principals. As such there are serious distortions in the economy which over time will result in social fractures. Inequality of the opportunity to work for the good stuff is a valid a fault.

    We do ourselves no service by standing slack-jawed at the economic development of China. Serious problems worldwide will result when corrections begin to take place.
     
  14. Art Eatman

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    If China has any serious potential for unrest, it's not really in the realm of economics. Sex. Think "sex". Their population control methodology has led to ever-increasing numbers of young men, and comparatively fewer numbers of young women. It's only a minor problem right now, but it's another "If this goes on..." deal for the future.

    As for China and "doin' bidness", the Chinese have long been known as "the Jews of the Orient" because of their entrepreneurial talent. They've long been the central group in business enterprise all around the Pacific Rim. This has occasionally led to pogroms against them...

    Yeah, they've got some problems. What country doesn't? I really doubt there'll be any major implosion, though. Looking down the road over the next forty or fifty years, it wouldn't be unwise to consider some knowledge of Mandarin to be part of future success in business...

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    Another thing to wonder about is that this dissproportionate male population means a whole lot of young men to fill the ranks of their military should they want them, even more than their massive population would indicate.
     
  16. Faithless

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    I can just see the "No war for women!" stickers
     
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    I read an article maybe five years ago, that said there were 30 million young men in China that had no wives, and had *absolutely no chance* of ever having one.


    Thirty million.


    That's a big army. There are lots of cute chicks in lots of other places.
     
  18. Waitone

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    Wars erupt over economics. Be it internal wars or external wars, wars are economics in action. I've heard the same observation over a dearth of females due to command population control. Yep, it will no doubt have an effect.

    So let's add to the 30 million men SOL a mere 75 million "surplus workers" and you've got a real volatile mix. OK, allow for some overlap. But the bottom line is China has economic distortions built into its system that left uncorrected will create massive social unrest. When governments see unrest a time honored way of diverting attention from problems at home is to instigate foreign adventures or to create foreign threats or boogie men. Taiwan is the perfect boogie man for communist leadership.

    Communist Chinese xenophobia has let them to make mistakes in the past and will do so in the future.
     
  19. LoneStranger

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    And to make the sex thing more intriguing, I think India, and several other major population groups in the area are seeing the same artificial change in the male to female ratios.

    There are reports that the drive to buy brides is starting to get quite lucrative in this area.

    Don't you just love it when a plan comes together??
     
  20. 4v50 Gary

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    For a low financed counter revolution we need only...

    Give every Chinese household a TV set and let Hong Kong TV do the rest. They see enough fancy stuff the Hong Kong Chinese have and those greedy downtrodden peasants and proletariats will demand their share. :evil:
     
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    You guys have it all wrong. The farmers are protesting because they want more communism not less. The "communist" government has cut most welfare and medical services to focus on building a free market economy. The last time Chinese farmers had guns they shot all the landlords and installed Mao as their leader.
     
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    what good would the arms do when the tanks start rolling again?

    :eek:
     
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    Along with Chinese translated copies of Ayn Rand's book "Atlas Shrugged."

    Ugh, Justin, you really must hate the Chinese;)
     
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