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China's Strict Gun Laws Make me Feel Safe

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SpotlightRanger, Sep 9, 2009.

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  1. SpotlightRanger

    SpotlightRanger Member

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    Or so says the writer of this piece......

    http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/foreign-view/2009-08/457150.html

     
  2. EmGeeGeorge

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    So you're less likely to be shot in a robbery with an illegal firearm, but more likely to be run over with a tank...

    IMHO we'll be at war with China in a decade or less. We'll have funded the worlds largest navy by buying plastic lawn chairs...
     
  3. JellyJar

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    Sheepy Sheepy Sheepy

    It must be nice to be a sheep. You have this nice man with a gun or club and his dog that will protect you from all the nasty wolves. However, when the man gets hungry or needs some wool for clothes where do you thing that will come from???:scrutiny:

    China has one of the most corrupt and oppressive governments in the world. Poor people without any cache with the authorities are being imprisoned because they dare to complain when corrupt officials and business men steal their land and poison their children. ( Google about a recent case of children and lead poison to see what I mean ).

    There are actually more criminals in China per person than here in the U.S. It is just that in China most criminals wear police uniforms or belong to the communist party.

    I hope that whoever wrote that article stays there long enough to suffer like so many of the poor Chinese peasants are doing so now!!!:cuss:
     
  4. 9mm+

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    Fantastic! Perfectly stated!

    As for the OP, it comes down to freedoms and the inevitable trade-offs. Do you want to live in an authoritarian regime and forego individual freedoms for the sake of supposedly safer communities? Or, do you cherish your freedoms in return for the occasional whack-job that goes on a murder spree? My choice is the latter...by a long shot.

    What the writer doesn't mention is that there is very little recourse to change these regimes in China and elsewhere. The ideas of individual liberties and self-determination are uniquely American. If you don't like what you see in America, you CAN change it through patience, organization, and determination.
     
  5. nathan

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    China uses execution style firing Tokarev round to the back of the head. THose zip with ease thru skulls. I think they are swift in carrying out the death sentence.
     
  6. Mt Shooter

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    Where does this guy go/do that gets him shot at all the time??????
     
  7. twofifty

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    What an idiot that author is.

    Good point about the Tianmen Square tanks. Sure was good of the Ohio National Guard not to use tanks at Kent State.

    With regard to population and crime, according to published national crime statistics, in the first years of the 21st century, just over 2,000,000 people were incarcerated in the States. In China, the figure was just over 1,400,000.

    Not that I'd like to live over there...

    edit: yeah, better to deal with the occasional whack job.
     
  8. Darthbauer

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    China might have "more or better" gun laws but it does not change the fact that the company that I work for had to spend a small fortune on private security because of death treats on employee's while they were in China.
     
  9. JCisHe

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    I wish Chinamen were allowed to have weapons so they could rise up against their oppressive and evil government.
     
  10. JellyJar

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    Sheepy Sheepy Sheepy part 2

    I can't find the link but a couple of years ago I read somewhere that home made bombs were one of the most common weapons in China due to the lack of firearms but apparently available commercials explosives. I'm sorry I couldn't find a link but I did find this about rat poison:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/17/w...in-rural-china.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

    Where there is a will there is a way :uhoh:
     
  11. c2m

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    New Orleans is the US’s most violent city, with a murder rate of 70 per 100,000 citizens.

    Interesting i guess he missed the part of N.O.being 11th on the list and Detroit being top dog. Then again here in Chicago we have had more deaths then the soldiers in iraq
     
  12. Justin

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    So the author points to Chinese gun laws as being the reason for why china has a low per-capita crime rate? I might be willing to concede he has a point just as soon as he writes an essay highlighting the Chinese justice system's respect for due process and acknowledgment of certain civil rights. After all we're talking about a country that routinely locks up bloggers and facebook users for posting content that is critical of the government. If they're willing to lock you up with no trial simply for posting something on the web, how do you think they treat a petty criminal? Somehow I kinda doubt they hear anything like miranda upon arrest. Nor do I consider it likely that they receive a speedy or fair trial.

    The author can hate on US gun owners all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that those crime free streets he enjoys so much come at the cost of a system repressive of its citizens' rights in more venues than gun ownership.
     
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    He could also have been shot BACK AT by others, just like in the University of Texas shooting...
     
  14. average_shooter

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    Wasn't it just in the news, I think I saw part of a story on CNN earlier today, about someone who managed to bludgeon to death eight or nine people in one household... IIRC, all but one are dead, I believe it's an 3 year old that's still critical.

    EDIT: Found the story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-us-mobile-home-slayings,0,7708299.story
     
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    Well in some respects I'd have to disagree with some of you about the freedoms allowed in China... I'd actually be more comfortable there in a Chicago sized city there than here in the U.S. I personally believe its because of the Chinese's no tolerance policy for crimes like dealing drugs and other things that seem to coincide with violent crime...

    On top of that.. the Chinese government is going to have to be very careful in the coming decades. There is about 20 million young male surplus because of the one child policy, not to mention 800 million living in the rural impoverished areas. If the Chinese government doesn't do enough to help these people get a better lifestyle and makes enough people angry enough that even 1% of that population decides to do something about it, they've effectively created the largest fight force in the world.

    The Chinese government only cares about retaining power. If they see that they cannot do that with out some sort of reform (which has been happening the last couple of years) they will choose to reform over losing power. Right now you can do quite a few things that would not fly in the U.S. as long as it doesn't mess with the government.

    I still wouldn't be surprised if many organized crime elements still had as good as or better access to weapons than the ones over here though.
     
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    The Chinese system look great......unless you are one of the 70 MILLION killed by the communist regime in the last several decades.
     
  17. copper4262

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    what an idiot - china can keep him
     
  18. nathan

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    The only way you can defend yourself in China is learn martial arts. Fend off attackers with your arms and legs , LOL
     
  19. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    Afraid of guns? Check.
    Another Country is better than the USA? Check.
    Mention of the AK-47 Assault Rifle? Check.

    Just another liberal fool with a blog.
     
  20. MD_Willington

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    Well... if it is so awesome in China, then how come I routinely have Chinese engineers ask me at work about going shooting...

    Given the choice, I bet they'd all love to have their own Norinco Type 56...
     
  21. cyclopsshooter

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    I went to school in Beijing for a year and felt very safe- Might have had more to do with me being 6'2 280lbs...
    I missed firearms but never felt the need for one while there...

    Still, the censorship there sucks... western news outlets blocked, instant messages disrupted for "unpopular conversations" ... :scrutiny: ... all I was doing was bashing their education system for lack of free thought... I got BLOCKED :cuss:

    Got knocked down by PLA soldiers at Tiananmen square... I SWEAR I never saw them coming...

    Had dinner at a colleagues house with her and her husband- wonderful people they are! but they had to stop me on several sensitive subjects for fear of wiretaps in their apartment :what:

    Come to think of it, I didn't feel as safe as I thought...
     
  22. 9MMare

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    "Freedom doesnt mean safe, it means free."

    Not to mention that there is no way that the govt could EVER get the guns out of the hands of criminals.....so that would just put all the rest of us more in jeopardy.
     
  23. kdstrick

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    Yes. If only our justice system was like China's.

    That darn Bill of Rights just keeps getting in the way. It's mostly the problem with "innocent until proven guilty", and that right to 'a speedy trial' that causes problems.

    If we could do away with all our rights we could REALLY crack down on crime. Think about the possibilities. We could imprison anyone who disagreed with us, or maybe people that look at us funny. With no trials, think how efficient our system would be. Arrest, imprison, hard labor... the guy gives you any trouble, torture him into compliance, and let him go (or not) whenever you feel like it. :what:

    Yeah... China has a great system. :rolleyes:
     
  24. chris in va

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    Emphasis added. You gotta love that fact vs 'feel' argument.
     
  25. RoostRider

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    I spent some time in Singapore this past winter.... the crime rate is remarkably low.... there is little to no trash on the streets (aside from market areas)... there aren't even loud stereos in cars.... no one swears at anyone on the sidewalk... I felt safe at 2am walking in the 'red light' district with 2 women and myself... no one even begs for change...

    They also have a 'freedom of speech stage' in the middle of the city... because they were accused of being oppressive of such things... anyone could use it to say whatever they wanted, even in defiance of the government.... it got shut down, and now you can only use it with permission and for approved subjects (Dissing the government is not one of them)....

    They also have a $1000 fine for chewing or importing gum (that's right, you can't even have it in your house)... they also have a hefty fine for just about everything else... you can't even own a walkie-talkie over there.... and undercover cops all over the place watching people...

    The government and large corporations import and exploit Malay workers by the droves... leaving them living in wretched little housing complexes...

    You get to be president by being the son of the president....

    The long time friends I was visiting were nervous about even discussing the government with me unless we were in private in a car...

    I'll take what we have here....
     
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