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Cho was ORDERED BY A JUDGE to a mental health facility in 2005

Discussion in 'Legal' started by davec, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. davec

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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3052278&page=1


    TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 922

    § 922. Unlawful acts


     
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  2. The-Fly

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    what a horrible waste. Because some bureaucratic idiot didn't enter Cho into the denied person database, he was able to pass the 4473 and we all know what happened. Once again, big government fails in even its basic responsibilities. :banghead:
     
  3. DogBonz

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    Why...

    Why was he not DEPORTED?

    Is stalking not a crime in VA?
     
  4. crazed_ss

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    This should have been in NICS right?

    Seems someone dropped the ball.
     
  5. solareclipse

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    i've already mentioned this this morning which is why i doubt it will actually result in anti gun legislation. the system failed, the laws are there to prevent it (on paper anyway).
     
  6. PILMAN

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    Wow. Looks like I have more posting to do in defense of firearms on other forums.
     
  7. davec

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    If there was a restraining order against him, he would be prohibited from possessing a gun.

     
  8. El Tejon

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    And class who was reponsible for keeping mental health info from background checks?

    Yes, of course, Teddy Kennedy.;)
     
  9. davec

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    you have a source for that or just trying to make a wisecrack?
     
  10. Neo-Luddite

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    It doesn't sound like he was committed, but that depends on the laws of the state also. Here in Illinois, he would have been gun free for at least five years.

    Should we be looking at his status as an alien? Why had he not sought citizenship? His ownership under law is a privilege we confer at legal will under various state laws. No one seems to be asking if foreigners should have handguns. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Maybe it should be confered based on reciprocity between home country and the US.
     
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    So do we know exactly why he passed NICS? Was it a bureacratic oversight?
     
  12. MrDig

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    He was in fact adjudicated Metally Ill if he was Court Ordered to a Mental Health Facility. How di this get overlooked on the 4473, also how did the OFP's get overlooked.
     
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    Because in general a non resident alien that lives here from the age of 8 until 23 is generally going to be treated like a citizen.

    If he was "Ordered by a judge" into a mental health facility than his firearms purchases were illegal (not sure why that didn't show up on a NICS check).



    He probably lied.

    I'm not sure what depth of mental health records are available to NICS.

    So I expect we'll see bills pushing our health records into NICS :rolleyes:
     
  14. bearmgc

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    Another one fell through the cracks of the mental health and judicial system. Why do people think the police and justice system will always protect them? Another strong endorsement for CCW, and I hope maybe some folks will get the clue rather than another weapons ban debacle.
     
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    Yeah, the Congressional Record, this is before the Our Lady of Piece proposal.
     
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    A legal permanent resident can be deported after being convicted of felony or some misdemeanor charges. I don't know if stalking is included in the latter. Even if it is, deportation is a rather laborious procedure that the local DA probably won't do anyway.
     
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    Fell through the cracks is a woefully inadequate response to the Families who lost loved ones.
    How did the OFP's (orders for protection) "Fall through the Cracks" as well.
    If this in fact the system that is to prevent this type of incident, is it our place to help fix it? I for one think it is. If we don't want any more intursion into our lives we need to fix the 4473 system.
     
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    What if families decided that one criteria for choosing a college was that it allowed students with a CCW permit to carry in class and on campus? Weapons bans don't work. Screening by colleges don't work. Justice system and mental health systems, yes, woefully inadequate. Fact.
     
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    Woefully inadequate but true. Having a false sense of security is also a woefully inadequate means of defense.
     
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    Instead of talking about banning guns, we should shift the discussion to FIXING THE SYSTEM.

    Everybody can get behind fixing the system.

    The how's and why's can be argued about, but I'd rather be having that conversation then the conversation about more gun bans.
     
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    No one is asking if foreigners should have guns isnt relevant to the discussion. His immigration status didnt drive him to kill those people. I imagine there are 1000's of resident aliens out there who enjoy firearms responsibly. No point in taking their rights away because of one nutcase.
     
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    He was never ruled mentally defective and voluntarily admitted to a mental health institution. It would be very dangerous if you could be denied on a NICS check because of this.
     
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    By the time the 4473 is in effect, the individual has already shown his/her true colors. NICS checks OK. He can still use a knife a bat, his car, his hands. And she can get a body guard for when she goes shopping, and on and on. if he wants to get to her, he will find a way, 4473 or not.
     
  24. bearmgc

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    Trying to fix the systems, looking at past government actions, always involves restricting the freedoms of others, who have not commited a crime. Increasing the government systems, hiring more people to protect citizens, hiring more people in the mental health system won't happen because it is not cost effective to them. Do we want more restrictions on law abiding people, more weapons bans?
     
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    I agree ... the system needs to be fixed.

    Now lets have a few thousand hours of debate on what "fixed" means.



    One man's "fixed" is another man's "eliminated" is yet another man's "empowered".



    But I'm all for "fixing" government they way one "fixes" a puppy.
     
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