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Chris kyle shot dead

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Kim, Feb 2, 2013.

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  1. Skylerbone

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    Definitely a sad day for his family, friends and those he helped mentor. I don't find rc's words cold at all, just simple truths as old as man. It takes a very unique person to do what is asked of veterans, to defy self-preservation by enlisting while, at the same time acquiring skills to save you from that very thing, being a soldier.

    I should imagine any man who has done what Chief Kyle did should want nothing more to do with the mess. So, as rc pointed out, live by it, die by it. I know personally more than one vet I would never turn my back on, I have stared down the barrel of a loaded rife raised to shoot. I respect those who defend our nation but I do not seek out the company of dangerous men, even for good intent.

    May he rest in peace.
     
  2. Hatchett

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    I can only hope that we as a country are at a point where this sort of call is left to educated mental health experts and not people who rant about goblins and people's value in "salt."
     
  3. Blackstone

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    I was just lent his book by a friend a few days ago and was halfway through. So tragic, RIP :(
     
  4. freyasman

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    I am preparing to retire after 20yrs of Active Duty, and I can assure you the vets we have right now are in for a VERY hard road ahead. Its no mystery to anyone in service why the suicide rate is through the roof; hopelessness and helplessness; and a person who is willing to kill himself, has no problem bringing others along for the ride. I was given a copy of the book by a friend of mine and its in my desk drawer.... I think I'll pull it out and get started on it.

    "Lo, there do I see my Father....
    Lo, there do I see my Mother and my Sisters and my Brothers....
    Lo, there do I see the line of my people, going back to the beginning...
    They do call to me...
    And bid me take my place among them...
    In the Halls of Folkvanger and Valhalla...
    Where the Brave may live forever!"
     
  5. CharlieDeltaJuliet

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    Very sad news... I just heard about it this morning...
     
  6. clutch

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    Chief Kyle, I thank you for your service to this nation and your service to those who have served. RIP
     
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    Very sad, and a tragic loss. I don't see him as really using his combat skills the way he was doing as "living by the sword". If he had become a mercenary/contractor, maybe, but to me I don't think that is a dishonorable way to make a living either. If we don't have enough sworn in troops to do certain jobs, what's wrong with a private firm filling in? To me it is akin to those that work in the defense industry making weapons, and being technical advisors. Nothing wrong with it, IMHO.

    He was helping vets that had PTSD. I think that is very admirable. If he made a living from his prior service and skills also, more power to him.

    RIP.
     
  8. 4v50 Gary

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    A fair wind to carry you to Valhalla Chris. RIP and condolences to his family.
     
  9. zeek96

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    Tragic loss, thoughts and prayers to the family.
     
  10. cacoltguy

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    Terrible news

    On a side note I'm kind of getting tired of "PTSD" being used to explain away everything bad a serviceman does. For the record I served in Iraq in combat. In my opinion this is nothing more than a symptom of a culture and society that has lost its way morally. These guys are part of a generation raised by single mom's, video games, and a morally corrupted entertainment industry. Now we have half of them claiming PTSD so they can collect a disability check for life and use it to explain away every dumb thing they do in life. I never heard of a soldier from WWII doing things like this, never heard of Civil War soldiers going on rampages (way more stressful and traumatic wars than Iraq or Afghanistan) And yes guys got plenty of concussions (probably more so) from explosions in those conflicts as well so that comment about "IED's and brain damage" is nonsense. Let's face it, something has changed in society and it's not the brutal nature of war. PTSD is just a scapegoat being used to explain away the failure to accept personal responsibility.
     
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    I kind of thought the same thing. Very tragic but, I believe Mr. Kyle left this world doing what he wanted to do. As for PTSD, you can never know what demons are in a mans brain. Sometimes it is just a thin line that keeps one from crossing into insanity. The demons came out in this man, hence, I see RC's point of view.
     
  12. herkyguy

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    He proved himself on the battlefield and in interviews it was readily apparent that he was a patriot above all else....
     
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    This is horrible. To make it through numerous tours, then be cut down by your own.
     
  14. Double Naught Spy

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    Very sad news indeed - a terrible shame.

    This drives home the fact that shootings most definitely can and do happen at gun ranges and can and do happen to highly skilled people. Just because you are at a gun range, don't think that you are safe from bad people. These incidents are rare, but they can even happen to the best.
     
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    At first I thought you were claiming that PTSD isn't real, which is mistaken. It was called "Soldiers Heart" in the Civil War, and "Shell shock" in WWI. Upon re-reading, I realize that you're not doubting it's existence, but rather the number of claims of it today.

    I have no personal experience with PTSD, but could this increased rate be due the fact that it's more socially acceptable to talk about it in years past?

    Or could the current generation of veterans is less adapt at processing what happened to them?
     
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    Why I don't go to public ranges any more...........swept way too may times.
     
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    I think I have discovered the real benefit of a public thread forum like this; open air therapy. Reading all of these posts from front to back is a brief descent into our own internal thoughts/fears/rationalizations. This forum is really serving as a microcosm of a grief cycle. All of us have these same conflicting emotions occurring in our minds when we learn about prominent events like this.

    We all think it's a real tragedy for a patriot to lose his life. We all say a prayer for a husband father and son taken too soon. We all appreciate the service, the record, the continuance of helping fellow vets. We also all know that there's a risk involved in a high-profile status. We all know that guns and gun paraphenalia have a certain degree of danger (that we mitigate as professionally as possible of course). The yin and yang in our minds alternates between shock and trying to grasp meaning in tragedies with a certain "darker" element that whispers "at least he went honorably as a soldier would prefer." Yes a soldier expects it on a battlefield but that day had passed. The next closest thing is a firing range, and that appears to be what he sought. More honorable than falling off a ladder and no less of a loss to his family.

    Everyone posting here is right; just at different stages of coping with the news.
    God bless; Chief Kyle.
     
  18. Vurtle

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    I have been wanting to meet him for a long time. That will never happen now. I hope his family will manage through this crisis in a positive way. He has left a legend and his kids will hopefully have that legend to guide them through their lives. My grandfather was a legend in my community and died when I was very young. To this day, people still remind me of the character he had and all though I barely remember him I know exactly who he was and who I should be because of him. I hope Chris's kids benefit the same.
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    It will be left to a Texas jury, and I'm completely satisfied with that. The criminal's lawyer can come up with whatever lame justifications he can. He can blame it on brain injury or PTSD or too many video games.

    Personally I'm sick of criminals, I'm sick of psychos shooting good people down and I'm sick of the lame excuses.
     
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    I've read a number of the articles.

    Would someone please provide one that says anything about it being a charity event.

    Much needed, thanks.
     
  21. BCCL

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    I doubt it was an organized event, I saw a report earlier, that they arrived there around 3:30 and the bodies were found about 5:30, so it doesn't sound like anyone else was there but them.
     
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    From what I read, he and the other man that were killed both knew the shooter, and were supposedly friends.

    Sad, indeed. I wish the families the best.
     
  23. Evergreen

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    I agree with you in the fact that our society tries to stamp a single label on very complicated issues. We are at the mercy of psychiatrists and miracle drugs to solve all our problems. My father is a Vietnam Veteran and he has said the same thing as you do.


    I agree with you as well.. The murderer deserves no honor and no respect. Many brave soldiers risk their lives and endured horrible hardships to save their fellow soldiers lives. This man in cold blood, murdered a very brave and noble soldier. His death is not just a loss for his family and friends, it's a loss for our entire country. The man who shot him will probably spend the rest of his life in prison/mental institution, with a free TV/entertainment, weight equip, food, shelter all paid by our tax dollars. Whatever led to him being a murderer doesn't diffuse my anger for this injustice.
     
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    Texas still has the death penalty, right?
     
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