Cimarron Model P in 357

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  1. Tallball

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    I finally got my friend at the LGS to take something in trade towards this. He's had it sitting NiB in his counter for 2-3 months. After that amount of time, he gets more willing to make a deal. :)

    I've been wanting a shorter barreled SA revolver for a while now. This one is 4.75". I've very much admired some of the ones y'all have been posting lately.

    It's a Cimarron, so it was made by Uberti in Italy.

    This particular one doesn't have any of the newer safety features, but I didn't want any of that, anyway.

    This is my only SAA replica ATM. I gave my other one to my FiL, and the rest of my SA revolvers are Rugers.

    Its intended purpose is just range toy, but I grew up with a Single Six and still shoot SA revolvers pretty often...

    If anyone else has one or more of the Italian 357 replicas and knows what sorts of ammo they prefer, please let me know.

    Anyone have a favorite belt and holster rig they'd like to suggest?

    Also, does anyone out there still carry one? I don't necessarily plan on it, but I've been a SA revolver fan forever and could carry it while hiking with my teenaged daughter sometimes. If someone carries one concealed or semi-concealed, I'd be interested in hearing what kind of carry rig you use. (We always hike with our large pit bull mix rescue doggy, so whatever I carry is kinda like a BUG.)

    The finish and trigger are very nice. I may put some prettier grips on it eventually.

    Probably can't take it shooting until next weekend. I'll type up a range report after I do.

    Thanks to everyone who inspired my latest purchase! :)

     
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  2. NorthBorder

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    I like the case hardened look on that revolver.
    Not Italian, but my Ruger "New Model" Vaquero shoots a 250 gr HC over 8.5 gr Unique. It beats my knuckles a bit but otherwise pretty accurate. I may load down to 705 or 8 grains.
     
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    What price was it going for before the trade?
     
  4. Tallball

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    If I watched the auctions on Gunbroker long enough, I could win one of the German ones NiB for a bid of $430 or a little less. It might take a few weeks or something. The NiB Italian ones go for slightly more, but I could probably win one for about the same, given enough time.

    The tag hanging from the trigger guard at the LGS read $595. The proprietor offered it to me for $550 plus tax... due to our deep and abiding friendship, the fact that our ancestors served in the Civil War together, and because that would still give him a very nice profit margin.

    I showed him a couple of cute little Berettas the next time I saw him, but they were out of fashion and he was not impressed.

    Eventually I found an old Spanish 38 in my gunsafe that I didn't want anymore, but when he saw it today, it looked to him like something he could sell.

    So he gave me $150 for the 38 and sold me the Cimarron for $400 plus tax.

    Not the best deal ever, but I didn't want the other gun anyway, and I'd rather have my local guy make a profit, instead of a big Gunbroker dealer.

    TMI. Sorry, sometimes I'm like my dad's old car: a Rambler. Anyway, if anyone wondered what a good price is on a SAA replica these days, now you know. If I understand correctly, the ones imported by EAA are German and related to the Sauer & Sohn and/or Arminius ones. And someone else may correct me, but I think Uberti makes all of the Italian ones. I was mainly looking at the 4.75" models in 357, but IIRC, the longer barreled ones and the 45 colts were going for very similar prices.
     
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  5. bannockburn

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    A decent deal on a nice looking Cimarron Model P! I always enjoy seeing color case hardening on a Colt SAA or any reasonable copy thereof. I believe Pietta also makes quite a few Colt SAA copies. They can be found at the EMF Company website.
     
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  6. Barbaroja

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    Funny you should make this thread as I may take it as a sign from the universe to go back to my lgs. I had this very model in my hands yesterday and have been thinking hard about going back and getting it. Very nice gun for the price you pay. Enjoy it, hopefully I’ll be able to join the club soon.
     
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  7. Tallball

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    Barbaroja, if you live in North Central Texas, you may be too late. :)
     
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  8. Barbaroja

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    Fortunately in this case I do not. Even if you did I would have just gotten the 45colt!
     
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  9. ontarget

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    I have the Uberti El Patron in 357 with the 5.5 inch barrel. It's an awesome shooter. Hits to the sights very well with my 158 gn LSWC hand loads.
     
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  10. Barbaroja

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    As far as a holster goes I have a simply rugged sour dough pancake for my blackhawks and it hold them high and tight enough where I can conceal a 6.5” 41 magnum under my coat
     
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  11. StrawHat

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    A classic revolver! I would suggest such a piece deserves to be carried in an appropriate holster. I favor the Brill style but a Threepersons would also be acceptable.

    Brill

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    Kevin
     
  12. bannockburn

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    Not long after I got my Beretta Stampede I knew I had to have a western style rig to carry it in. Wasn't looking for anything really fancy; just a basic set-up that I could wear when I went shooting at a friend's house out in the country. Found this DeSantis Desperado holster and cartridge belt for a pretty reasonable price. Very well made and nicely finished.
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  13. GeoDudeFlorida

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    I have a Pietta/EMF .357magnum. Best load in it for plinking is 5.5gr of Unique under a 158gr LSWC-HP. For serious work it’s a real gem with a Cast Performance 200gr LWFN-GC over 13.5gr of 2400. That load is just a little stout so you may want to back off a bit and work up to what your gun likes. The Piettas and Ubertis are plenty strong but they are designed for “Cowboy” loads and have the twist setup for light loads. Some do good with fast heavy bullets and some don’t.

    On the right is the EMF Great Western II with a stainless Ruger ejector rod.
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    YMMV.
     
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  14. GeoDudeFlorida

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    He’s asking about .357 loads not .44/.45 loads. ;)
     
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    Congratulations on your purchase! I have two; one is a Pietta and the other is a Taurus (I know, not an I-tie clone, but still). Both shoot very well, and are well made and finished. The Pietta is a transfer bar action, so only 3 clicks when cocking rather than the 4 of a "real" Colt. The Taurus is a 4-click gun. The triggers on both are very similar, and very smooth I might add. These new

    For plinking, mine like 3.5grs of W231 under a 158gr lswc. Or, the same bullet with 3grs of Bullseye. My "business" load is 5.0 grs of W231 under a JSP or JHP bullet; the gun doesn't seem to care which I use. Either gun likes this load pretty good, and it will put 5 shots in a 4" circle at 25 yards one-handed. I don't recommend it for light-weight revolvers (J-frames), since it is a bit on the heavy side. I'm getting ready to work up a "light magnum" load using 2400 and those same LSWC bullets; preliminary results are promising, but further testing is needed. If they work out, I'll happily let you know.

    Yes, I do. I have a Threepersons style holster, but I usually carry mine in an El Paso Combat Express holster. I picked it up NiB, cheap at a LGS's going out of business sale. It fits both revolvers just fine, and is comfortable to wear. The only downside is, the barrel is exposed. But that's not really a big deal to me, since I'm usually wearing a coat over the gun anyway when I'm in the woods and if I'm just on the tractor or around the farm, there's not a lot of danger of scratching the gun.

    The SAA is my favorite handgun platform; when chambered in the .357, it becomes the "perfect" handgun for whatever uses may arise. Many of my friends tell me that I need to "come join us in the 21st century" and buy a plastic-fantastic Wundernine. But, I always ask them: if you can't do it with 5, what good is 15? From snakes to deer and everything in between, a SAA in .357 satisfies my needs. I think it will satisfy yours, too. So again, congratulations on your purchase, and I hope you enjoy it. Please give us a shooting report as soon as you are able.

    Mac
     
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  16. Llew Taranau

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    > Anyone have a favorite belt and holster rig they'd like to suggest?

    Some of the nicest work I've seen/owned is by Rick Bachman, many of whose designs are modeled on photographs from the Old West.
    https://www.oldwestreproductions.com/

    Another recommendation is Bob Mernickle. Not as authentic but his stuff is darn near (pardon the pun) bulletproof and will last for decades. https://www.mernickleholsters.com/

    (I don't have any connection with these makers, other than having been a very happy customer.)
     
  17. Crunchy Frog

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    The Cimarron Model P is a Uberti revolver but Cimarron has some Pietta revolvers as well; I believe the Frontier line are Piettas.

    You should check out a cowboy action match. All steel targets, no paper. The .38s are the most popular chamberings. We shoot a lot. The savings in ammo or components add up.

    I’ve loaded and shot different ammo in cowboy matches. The lightest load is a 105 grain bullet at about 750 FPS. The heaviest, a 158 grain bullet atop a .357 case full of Goex black powder. They all hit the target if I do my part.

    Remember that a Colt pattern revolver should be carried with an empty chamber under the hammer.
     
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  18. Tallball

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    Thanks to everyone for the kind wishes and good advice.

    If I ever carry it, it will be with an empty round under the hammer. I learned that as a kid.

    I'm going shooting Saturday morning, weather permitting.

    I'll see how the new pistola likes a few different 38 and 357 loads.
     
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