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Cimarron Type II Transition Problem?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by AethelstanAegen, Mar 3, 2013.

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  1. AethelstanAegen

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    Hey guys, I recently purchased a Cimarron Type II Richards conversion. I'm very happy with the pistol so far but I wanted to ask those of you who own one a few questions. I'm not sure if there is a problem or not. I've fired 50 rounds through this no problem. In the last day or so, I've noticed what I think might be a problem. When I initially had the pistol, it seemed to have three hammer positions, the first allowed the cylinder to rotate for loading, the second seemed to be a safety half cock, and the third was full cock. It now appears to only have two settings, the initial loading half cock and full cock. Also, when on full cock, the cylinder can still rotate clockwise. I can't remember if it did that before or not.

    So essentially, what did I do wrong? Do I not have the cylinder tight enough (ie do I need to play with the wedge some more)? Is the gun only supposed to have two positions and I've just worn down a burr that gave the impression of three positions? Essentially, am I looking at a broken revolver now or am I just noticing things that were there all along and are actually correct?

    Edit: It does seem like something is wrong, because now when I pull the trigger to fire, the cylinder starts to rotate counter-clockwise. Is this something I can fix or should I send it back to Cimarron?
     
  2. BHP FAN

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    send it back. it sounds as though you have two problems, the half cock notch is sheared off, and your cylinder stop spring is busted.
     
  3. AethelstanAegen

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    Thanks, BHP FAN. Well this will make it 2/2 guns from Cimarron that I've had to send back. That is very, very annoying.

    I guess at least I know they have good customer service so they should make it right without too much trouble.
     
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    Just an update, I contacted Cimarron yesterday and I had a UPS return label here today. I sent it in. I'll let you guys know how quick the turn around is...so far they've been very helpful and given me no trouble at all.
     
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    Update. I got the pistol back today and everything's working smoothly again. I wonder what the problem was and what I might have done to cause it. Total repair time was about a week and a half including shipping there and back. That's pretty darn quick.

    Edit: I sent an email to Cimarron and they asked the gunsmith, I guess it was just a broken sear/bolt spring. Even though there was a problem, I've been very impressed with Cimarron's customer service. They repaired the problem no questions asked and were all very helpful and willing to take time to answer any questions I had. They definitely get an A+ from me for their CS.
     
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    It's good to hear their Customer Service is good, as I am considering buying that very pistol! Thanks for the good comments. It looks like a fun gun to shoot. Does it pretty well hold to point of aim? That is pretty much my only question.
     
  7. 4v50 Gary

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    Bet the hand was worked on.
     
  8. AethelstanAegen

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    The guy said they replaced the bolt/sear spring but it's possible they did other work as well. It seems to be working fine now and I'll be taking it back out this weekend to try some more shooting.

    gunner69, from the 50 rounds I put through it, it seemed pretty good. I wasn't doing any sort of stringent accuracy testing or anything though. It is definitely a blast to shoot and I'm very happy with it. Hopefully there should be no more problems (when they fixed my 1911, there have been zero issues since the repair).
     
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    Thanks for the response, it is a great looking piece.
     
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    I wish I still had mine. I finally got tired of busted bolt/cylinder stop springs, and replaced mine with a Wolff wire spring. Someone is enjoying a trouble free pistola out there.
     
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    Sorry you had the trouble but glad they sorted it out quickly.
     
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    I got to shoot it yesterday and it fired all 50 with no problems. I was probably firing at 20 yards or so. The first 5 were point of aim but after the barrel warmed up it was shooting about 6" high (I imagine the sights are meant for around 50 yards or so)/ Once I figured that out, I was punching out the center of targets without any trouble. I'm very happy with the pistol. Once my El Paso Saddelry holster gets here, I'll post some pics to try to make CraigC and StrawHat jealous (as they've been doing to me for some time now with their great pics).

    BHP FAN, did you just use the Wolff SAA Uberti wire spring? I notice it says reduced power, how would the reduced power spring affect the performance of the gun? I'm tempted to pic up one as a spare in case the flat spring busts again.
     
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    yes, and it makes for an almost scary light trigger pull. you definately want it all the way out of the holster, and pointed at the target before you rack back the hammer, and then it's almost like haveing a ''set'' trigger. wonderfully smooth and light, like a target pistol. with a six o'clock hold, I could punch the center out of the target, almost every time at twenty five yards, and most of the time at fifty.
     
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    Yikes! It already seems to have a scary light trigger pull. Maybe that means it will be about the same...haha. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the tip!
     
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    Another +1 for going to the Wolff wire type sear/bolt spring. It's a permanent fix for a part that has a tendency to break from time to time. Cimarron has even started carrying the wire spring for some of their models that Wolff does not carry one for, like the Model P Jr and the Lightning. I've replaced this part on all my single actions and all have been a drop in fix.
     
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    All my guns with the music wire trigger/bolt spring have a letoff of about 2lbs. Which is perfect but might take some getting used to for some.
     
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    I'll give it a go. Is it best to order right from Wolff or does anyone know a better source? I see Midway has them, but Midway also charges me a fee for less than $40 orders.
     
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    I've got the Wolff Springs in all my guns except one. They don't make the size spring my Cimarron Lightning uses. Cimarron does, and I have theirs in that gun.

    I've had great results with Wolff Springs - even use them in my semi-autos. You will not be disappointed with the quality and performance of the Wolff spring.
     
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    I even have Wolff springs in my little Savage .32 auto pistols. I was surprised and delighted to find they even made them.
     
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    Do you guys order your springs direct from Wolff or from other online vendors?
     
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