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City of Chicago asks on twitter "HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lucifer_Sam, Oct 4, 2012.

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  1. Lucifer_Sam

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    Not sure if here is better or activism. Feel free to move, etc.

    Anyway, as the title says, "WhatifChicago", an anti gun organization affiliated with the Chicago's mayors office, is asking on twitter how they should go about getting rid of all the illegal guns which, apparently, are running around the streets independently, out of control, and causing crime. So if you actually happen to have a twitter account for some reason, you might want to tell them what you think. Or sign up for one, if you really have a hankering to give a piece of your mind. I would if I was in Illinois.

    https://twitter.com/WhatIfChicago

    Likely this is will be framed in the media as a desperate cry by a city under siege to gun violence. Or at least that's what the individuals responsible for this are hoping for.

    Of course, its unlikely that you would change the minds of the people responsible for the page, but I'm sure others will be paying attention.
     
  2. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Make them legal. No more illegal guns on the streets and the crime rate will drop when citizens will start carrying and fighting back.
     
  3. gojuice101

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    You would think that they would pay attention to statistics and notice a trend. Guns outlawed, crime rates rise. Guns legalized, crime rates fall. I wrote a term paper on the subject of gun control last year, and spent weeks researching and compiling statistics and facts. They are blatantly obvious, to anybody but the lawmakers up there apparently. It should be obvious by now that their approach is not working. :banghead:
     
  4. gunnutery

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    At first I thought you meant an amnesty measure :) Some legislators want to enact amnesty for certain people groups, so why not guns...oh yeah, guns can't vote.

    I avoid Chicago like the plague. Fortunately when I go east, it's southeast to Florida!
     
  5. Warp

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    It isn't about guns. It isn't about crime. It's about control.
     
  6. powell&hyde

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    If I lived in Chicago I would tweet Rahm Emanuel one word "RESIGN".
     
  7. Deanimator

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    It wouldn't make one iota of difference.

    He's just one avaricious thug. There'd be a whole city council of them left.

    And get rid of them, and there'd be no change because Chicagoans would just vote in more avaricious thugs as replacements for them.

    Chicago isn't Syria. They're voting for what they WANT.

    Chicago is the way it is because Chicagoans LIKE it that way.
     
  8. Trent

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    Start selling hi-points in blister pack at the check out lanes of WalMart. Gun, mag, 10 rounds, $99 rollback special!

    Oh, and make them legal for people to carry...

    ... And use for self defense.

    Crime will drop.
     
  9. Reloadron
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    The problems Chicago is facing run much deeper than one's right to carry or their ineffectual gun control laws.

    Cleveland, Ohio till recently (a few years ago) had gun control laws that paralleled those of Chicago and for that matter NYC. When Ohio finally adopted CCW laws the City of Cleveland maintained their own laws until finally the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that state law trumped city laws and that home rule did not apply. Nothing changed and I mean nothing as gun related crimes continued to escalate along with the homicide rate. What this demonstrates is that strict gun laws were doing nothing and that allowing guns changed nothing.

    Chicago, much like Cleveland gets exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately for a few the people of Chicago much like those of Cleveland choose election after election to send inept leadership to office to run and manage their city. People who choose to ignore the root cause of the problems they need to fix as they promote what amounts to feel good, do nothing legislation. On a grand scale what did President Clinton's crime bill legislation accomplish? Absolutely nothing, it was feel good do nothing legislation sold to the fools who promoted it.

    You have a coarsening of city culture combined with a judicial system more enmeshed with the rights of the criminal than the victim. Since legislators choose to not fix that problem they place the blame for their problems and crime on the gun.

    Case in point. A few years ago here in Cleveland:

    Initially they looked to prosecute the shooter but finally backed off. Next, the shooter and his family began receiving death threats. His home was vandalized multiple times and finally the poor innocent victim moved. While this persisted shrines to the dead thug were erected in front of the shooter's home. Eulogizing a thug! Go figure that one out. What does this tell you about the mentality of these citizens who continuously vote inept leadership?

    The only differences between Cleveland and Chicago is a few hundred miles and Chicago is larger. Chicago, much like Cleveland gets what they deserve and again I feel for those who are out numbered at the poles.

    Just My Take
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  10. 303tom

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    Shoot thugs & stop putting them back on the street................
     
  11. SunnySlopes

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    It is refreshing, however, that the former chief of staff and current mayor of one of the largest cities in America goes on the internet and admits he's clueless how to do his job.

    Only in Chicago.
     
  12. Sharps-shooter

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    Mindset. Culture shift. That my answer to the urban gun problem.

    I, Like many of you and unlike some of you, grew up in a setting where guns were NORMAL. People carried 12 gauge shotguns and 30-06 rifles in plain sight in their trucks, had .45 1911's on their hip, and/or .25 raven pistols in their jacket pockets (which as it turns out was not technically legal, but was common and socially accepted). Consequently, guns do not, under most circumstances, have any more shock value for me than, say, trucks. or matches.

    For someone who grows up in an environment where guns are less normal, Television becomes the main reference. Always plenty of guns in movies and TV shows. and who has them? Cops, criminals, and the occasional vigilante. So people from that sort of setting often seek out guns because they want to be a tuff outlaw type, or because they want to be a vigilante. And maybe they don't train with them much or have much of a sense of personal responsibility as a result of having them.
     
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    I was born and raised in Chicago and if one would do their due diligence and educate themselves on the politics that has reigned supreme in that city since before the Great Chicago Fire one would see a picture of corruption from the mayors office downward or the ward upward, take your pick. The Chicago Democratic Machine has held the citizens hostage for so long they are oblivious to the who, what and why of how the city and therefore the state has been run since before WWI. Gun control is merely one piece of the servitude that Chicagoans must endure. Sad that such a multitude of truly wonderful people are controlled by the elitist political few that continue to pull the strings. But hey, Go Bears :)
     
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  14. hso

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    Simple response to a complex problem is to remove the socioeconomic drivers for violent crime and you'll reduce the number of violent crimes, violent crimes involving guns and "illegal" guns on the street. Of course, looking for a "sound bite" solution is easier than addressing the root cause.
     
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    How about a Hunger Games type event for the Gangs. First run a game for each individual gang. The winners from each gang go to the Gang Fest where one person gets top honors and then a trip to jail.
     
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    I like it. Except pretty soon the Gov'mint will classify gun owners as a 'gang'. :D
     
  17. Owen Sparks

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    The focus should not be on the tool but the act.

    The problem with gun laws is that they are collectivist in nature. They treat everyone with a gun, including you, as the lowest common denominator based on the potential for violent crime, even if you are minding your own business and are not threatening anyone. Just the fact that you MIGHT do something because you have the means becomes the crime.

    This is fundamentally no different than arresting someone for being Black because of what they might do. There used to be 'Sundown towns’ *in Illinois with the goal of reducing crime by keeping Blacks off the streets.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

    These unjust laws operated on the premise that any Black man who was out after dark was presumed to be up to no good. It did not matter if he actually did something wrong or not. The potential for crime became the crime. People who own guns are treated no differently now days.

    *Ever heard of Anna Illinois?
    Find out what A.N.N.A. really stands for below. You might be shocked:

    http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/content/sundown-introduction.pdf
     
  18. Vern Humphrey

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    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    But -- this is Chicago, the heart of the Democrat Party. They don't care about what works, they care about controling the lives of the people.:barf:
     
  19. Deanimator

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    What you've omitted was members of the Cleveland PD AND the Cleveland chapter of the NAACP volunteering to GUARD the victim's home from little Artie's mutant family and "posse". The OVERWHELMING reaction in Cleveland was, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people."

    I lived in Chicago for twenty one years. I've lived in the Cleveland area since 1986. Chicago and Cleveland aren't even in the same UNIVERSE. Cleveland HAD an AWB. It NEVER had a handgun ban or anything like it. The Ohio legislature never had to pass a law SPECIFICALLY to bar Cleveland from prosecuting people who shoot wouldbe rapists, child molesters and murderers to defend their families in their own homes.

    Cleveland is certainly corrupt, but equating Cleveland with Chicago is like equating a turnstyle jumper with Jeffrey Dahmer.
     
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    It's just as likely that given the number of members of the Chicago City Council who have been in prison or who are in prison, they're looking to defend themselves from their potential victims.
     
  21. Owen Sparks

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    The question is: "HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

    Since there is no way for a commoner to legally carry a gun in Illinois, then by logical extension, doesn't that make ALL guns 'on the streets' illegal since there is no legal way to carry one?
     
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    they might start with getting violent criminals off the street first.
     
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    And experience has shown in state after state that allowing the honest citizens to carry guns goes a long way toward doing just that.
     
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    So we make it illegal to...uh...hm...kinda stumped here. Guess gun control ain't working. Now give back the guns to the Chicagoans who want to be responsible for their own safety and work on the true problem - the criminals.
     
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    Whats an illegal gun???
     
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