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Civil War over illegal aliens?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by BFWE, Jun 17, 2006.

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  1. BFWE

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    "Civil War" is the proper designation for what will probably develop concerning illegal aliens. No one is saying it, but I believe we are all thinking it. Maybe this is not the proper place to put this comment... but here it goes.

    This is what I see developing:

    First -- the illegal stream will continue to grow and become even more arrogant and bold. Fence cutting is fairly mild but significant.

    Second -- the US Federal government will continue to do little or nothing. Nothing except interfere with people living in the affected areas from dealing with the situation.

    Third -- as the situation deteriorates for US citizens, these same citizens will begin taking matters into the own hands... vigilantism (not a dirty word despite the PC crowd's spin.) This has already started with the activities of groups like the Minute Men but will relatively quickly move towards armed encounters and develop into open warfare as both the criminal organizations and the illegal aliens become open combatants.

    Fourth -- the US Fed's will become involved and work closely with the Mexican gov "authorities" to "squelch violence along the border". What they will actually do is pursue and persecute the US patriots that are by then engaged in low intensity combat against the invading Mexicans.

    My crystal ball gets a little foggy at this point... what do you think?
     
  2. Biker

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    Well, many of us are already using the soap box. Come November it'll be the ballot box. After that, well, let's hope there is no 'after that'.

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  3. Sindawe

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    In the right place now. Nevermind. :D
     
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  4. BFWE

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    I sincerly hope you are right and that it will be decided at the ballot box in favor or maintain national soverignty.
     
  5. Larry Ashcraft

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    I'm gonna move this over to L&P, which may be a mean thing to do to the mods over there.
     
  6. longeyes

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    I think Biker laid it out. In a word, ballots. The American people are waking up. Now the question is whether the politicians can also. This is really about whether we still live in a nation under the rule of law and representative government, and we will have our answer to that pretty soon.
     
  7. Byron Quick

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    I think that's a real stretch. At best. Much more likely is the border state government becoming proactive as the feds fail to do anything effective. Then the feds, faced with the prospect of having their noses rubbed in their ineffectiveness, will finally start doing something which should have been done years ago.

    If there weren't state governments you might have something. If all the border state governments were such as California's you might have something. However, the other states bordering Mexico are capable of effective action once they become convinced they can't depend on someone else to do it.


    You know something that's strange? The people I know living right on the border are nowhere near as uptight about the issue as folks here. In fact, I've heard more complaints in Brewster County, Texas about Americans no longer being allowed to cross the Rio Grande at will instead of driving at least 80 miles to the Ojinaga-Presidio crossing. By the Border Patrol. 10K fine.
     
  8. el44vaquero

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    Civil War? The south with rise again! oops! wrong thread. :neener:
     
  9. Biker

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    Byron...

    Many folks not in the border states see what's happening there and want it to stop right *there*. Once it's on your doorstep, it ain't going away.

    Biker
     
  10. MechAg94

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    But if we fix the problem then they can't have their North American Union!
     
  11. longeyes

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    I don't know what you mean by "living right on the border." Would Los Angeles qualify? This issue is not about border ranches. It is about the $3 billion a year that the LAUSD spends on "education," mostly for kids who shouldn't be in the USA to begin with. It is about the estimated $5B to $10B a year in public service costs California lays out to be "welcoming." It is about watching the world's 8th largest economy--that's California--slowly but surely turning into Mexico (perhaps you're aware of our debt problems and how we've gone from being leaders in just about everything to near the bottom?)

    If you are ready to write off California, okay. I am not. And don't think that the situation in the other SW states will be much different once the voting demographics are "adjusted."

    Is civil war, in some form, a possibility? You bet it is. And it will become more and more a possibility as we, in fact, tighten the screws and try to rectify the problem. The Mexicans who are here don't want to go back and won't go back easily. Hey, they have a President telling them that "roots" count, even if those roots are illegal roots. One of these days the gringos may decide not to pay the taxes required to keep the game going--and then?
     
  12. Byron Quick

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    Biker,

    I simply find it peculiar that people who don't live on the border and have never even spent one day close to the border get all hot and bothered about this while people who live there are not all hot and bothered.

    Art here lives between a Border Patrol checkpoint and the border. I wouldn't characterize him as being totally unconcerned with the issue but it certainly doesn't have the grip on him it does on some who are gazing at film at 11. Art isn't seeing what is happening on the TV. He's been watching it on a daily basis with his own eyes for over thirty years.

    So the people who are watching from afar on the TV have a better sense of what's happening than the people who live there?

    Don't get me wrong. I think there's a problem that needs to be effectively addressed. It just strikes me as darned ironic to have folks who have never been to the border jumping up and down while the border residents are saying,"Darn, we have to drive 80 miles to cross at Ojinaga and then 80 miles back on the other side, to get to a Mexican village we can see from our porch."
     
  13. longeyes

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    In a word: YES.

    Because illegal immigration is not a border problem. It hasn't been a border problem for 20 years or more. What happens right along the border is collateral damage. Illegal aliens are now everywhere in America, and in the concentrated pockets of certain areas they have become a serious problem that frankly endangers everything about America.

    As for using your eyes, it's just possible that someone living in L.A. knows a bit more about the full-blown realities of illegal immigration than someone in a small town in the SE or Texas, yeah.
     
  14. Tropical Z

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    I believe that the situation with Mexico will lead to some kind of war somewhere on the southern border.Who knows how it will start or who will be fighting.Americans cannot afford to let this intolerable situation go on forever.:banghead:
     
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    Ballot box? GET REAL KIDS! We are about this [ ] close from having the next President turn our rights over to the U.N. A few more votes for Kerry, and it would be happening NOW!

    Kevin
     
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    +1... Pleasantly Stated Kevin...
     
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    I think it is silly to think that illegal immigration is a problem only at the border.

    I don't remember how many illegals are in Georgia, but I know we are in the top 10 states, and I think we were about number 5. We are a long way from the Mexican border.

    I was up all night operating on an apparrent illegal alien who was stabbed in the belly. He's now in the ICU. I suspect he will live, but will be in the hospital about 2 weeks, and by the time he leaves, will have about a $75,000 hospital bill.

    Anybody want to take a guess who's gonna pay for it?

    Don't tell me illegal immigration is just a border problem.
     
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    I don't know what you guys are complaining about president bush assures us they are just hard working people doing the jobs that Americans are too lazy to do for themselves. why would he lie to us?:rolleyes:
     
  19. Biker

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    Byron...

    I became truly aware of the problem six years ago when I rode down to San Diego to see some family.The further south I got, the more I felt like I was in a foreign country. There were C-Stores that wouldn't serve me because I didn't speak spanish. I saw bumper stickers reading "F*** You. This is still Mexico".
    I saw Mexican flags all over which outnumbered American flags.
    I was nearly charged with a hate crime outside of bar in Chula Vista for defending my property (my Harley) from a couple of guys who didn't speak English.

    Since then, I've seen the disease creeping into Idaho, particularly in the western portion and it's coming *my* way. I don't like it. I will fight it.

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    I think that some people might be suprised by how few others actually care all that much one way or the other. Sure, fight a civil war, just remember that when its just you and a couple of your buddies what you have isnt a war, its a riot at best.
     
  21. Biker

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    Or the first of some opening skirmishes.

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    Most civil wars throughout history only have a small percentage of the population doing the fighting. Most people just sit on their butts. That's the way it is.
     
  23. meef

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    Disease is an apt description, Biker. Cancer would be very precise. Growths concentrating in various areas of the body (country) and spreading. Virulent and potentially deadly.

    Just an observation.

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  24. Lone_Gunman

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    Here is a scenario more likely than civil war:

    1. Illegal immigration continues to worsen.

    2. Armed confrontation develops between illegals and US citizens

    3. Federal troops or agents are sent to restore order

    4. The troops or agents murder US citizens, and restore order. Some snipers may even be able to demonstrate their marksmanship by shooting mothers holding babies.

    5. The federal government then villifies the people they killed as cultists, child molesters, militia members, and gun fanatics.

    6. Joe Sixpack will watch this on CNN, thank the government for killing these horrible citizens, then flip back over to ESPN, and tune the world out again.
     
  25. BB62

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    So the people who are watching from afar on the TV have a better sense of what's happening than the people who live there?


    Your post is the best and most succinct answer I could have constructed, given the question posed.

    I agree 1000%. One might see the small leak coming through the dike, and not have the distance/overview to see the large lake being formed because of it.

    In this instance, both parties will see and experience different things - the trees and the forest.

    Thanks for your "spot on" post.


    BB62
     
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