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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 30-06 lover, Apr 13, 2006.

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  1. 30-06 lover

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    Today I am in class when my teacher informs us that we have a guest speaker. The teacher is talking about "Gun Violence" and I am immediately annoyed...Guns cannot be violent. So he starts off on Right to Carry. He says "I need two volunteers." Two people raise their hands and he gives one a toy pistol and says "Put that anywhere you want on your body." So the volunteer does and the guest speaker states to the unarmed volunteer "Your job is to attack the armed person and make sure he doesn't get the gun out. Surprise the armed volunteer...don't tell him when you are going to attack." He then looks at the guy he gave the toy gun to and states "When he attacks pull your gun." So what happens is the guy with the gun cannot pull it fast enough. He says "This is why it is not only dangerous for people to arm themselves, but stupid." Now I am pissed. I raise my hand and ask "Can I try a little experiment?" The guest speaker says "Sure, what about?" But is very uncertain. "Right to Carry" I say. The he roles his eyes and says "well lets see what you can bring to the table." So I take three students out of class and give one the toy gun and tell the armed student to hide it and tell them all not to reveal who has the gun. I go back inside with the three and Say to the classmate who was the attacker in the guest speaker's scenario to attack one of the three students I chose. I Tell the attacker "Attack one. Choose anyone you want it doesn't matter. Only one is armed so your odds are pretty good. However; you better choose the right one because if you choose an an unarmed student, the armed one will shoot you for attacking his peer." The attacker looks at me and says "Which one has the gun?" I say "Figure it out on your own." The attacker looks at me and says "I don't want to...I don't want to pick the wrong person and get shot." That is when I look at the guest speaker and say "That is why Right to Carry works." I smile and head back to my seat proud to see the class understanind. Then the speaker states "That is nonsense, If you don't want to believe me you can just leave." So I left and headed home to clean my new 6mm.
     
  2. OCJ

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    I appreciate your efforts sir, however some are just too dense to understand the fact that firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens make the country safer. Thanks for standing up for what you believe in and what the rest of us believe in. The speaker was probably mad for making him look like an ass ;)
     
  3. justashooter

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    very funny. a wonderful response to a silly premise.

    the guest speaker probably still doesn't have a clue, but some of the students in the audience might.
     
  4. BullfrogKen

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    Great way to point out the phalacy. Guess we better disarm the police based off our friend The Genious' position.
     
  5. rayra

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    Eggselent. The awesome followup would have been 'I realize you are trying to get rid of me so I won't embarass you and your propaganda a second time. Please, carry on, I'll remain more polite than you have been'.
    That would have put him completely off his stride, had him fumbling to make his BS points.
    :evil:
     
  6. Freelance Tax Collector

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    That speaker didn't by any chance happen to be this guy did it?
     
  7. cambeul41

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    Another dangerous assumption of the speaker…

    …is that the chosen attacker is not going to be hurt by a defensive move by the CCW person THEN “shot.”


    I must compliment you on your splendid response to the phony demonstration.
     
  8. mbs357

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    That was awesome.
    :D
     
  9. Rich K

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    +1, that was great. More power to ya.:D
     
  10. Eleven Mike

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    Great job, but you should have stayed.
     
  11. HankB

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    Actually, rather than leaving, rayra's response would have been better . . . or perhaps "I should leave because I don't believe you? Perhaps YOU should leave if you're unable to defend your assertions in a rational manner."

    Still and all, an awesome performance. Too bad you didn't get a chance to hear him mouth off after you left. (Where was the teacher when all this was happening, and didn't he/she object to your departure?)
     
  12. geekWithA.45

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    Great Performance!

    But Whoa....let's back up a minute.

    What sort of school was this that brings in a person to tell people that excercising their inherent rights is futile and stupid?

    Could you tell us more about the context? What was the course? Age group of the students?
     
  13. V4Vendetta

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    30-06lover, you are now officially one of my heroes. Right up there with the guy who invented Mountain Dew & Jimmy Stewart. I wish you could have stayed & embarrased him some more but at least you got a good point in.:) Makes me wish that I went to college so I could do that*.


    *Not really.
     
  14. Sistema1927

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    So, when is this "citadel of higher learning" going to bring in an pro-freedom/pro-RKBA speaker?

    That would only be "fair and balanced", wouldn't it?

    (Of course, they don't want to be balanced, they only want to spew their propaganda, the filth rotten b$#%^&rds.)

    Oh, BTW, good job in disarming this guy. However, in a battle of wits, your opponent was only half-armed!
     
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    Im very sorry to say that thats the state of our schools today. Whats sad is im going to have to debunk the crap public schools are going to put in my childrens heads when I have them.
     
  16. M.E.Eldridge

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    Great job man, we need more people like you in our schools. I assume, since you were able to leave your class that you are in college. If so, what was this particular class and did the guest speaker have anything to do with the curriculum? I attended college for a wildlife management and fish hatchery operation degrees, and most of my classmates hunted, shot and fished like it was a religeon. I wonder what would have happened if a 'Gun Violence' speaker came to those classes:evil:
     
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    Great comeback.

    The other serious problem with his example is that the "armed victim" had absolutely no training or experience with a defensive firearm. That makes about as much sense as putting somebody who's never driven a car behind the wheel and then suggesting that nobody else should be allowed to drive because they crashed.
     
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    Nice one :D
     
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    Touche!
     
  20. Eleven Mike

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    That was the first problem I noticed. I think the speaker's object lesson actually demonstrated why it is legitimate to shoot a person who is about to attack you with a "mere" knife or baseball bat.
     
  21. CubDriver

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    Way to go!!! I am in college, its amazing how poor some of these instructors’ arguments are, but no one challenges them. I have stood up and made counter points, but those that do are often told that they will be written up for disrupting class. I have only had one professor (an economics prof) who welcomed this, and would often let students debate for an entire period if we got started. I learned a lot from the discussions in that class, and no matter where the conversation went the prof always did an extremely good job of tying it back into the course of study.

    Way to go, we need more people like you in college.

    -David
     
  22. Twycross

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    Excellent job! Continue the good fight! But...
    It will be a cold day in hell before that can top the invention of Mountain Dew. :D
     
  23. Guy B. Meredith

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    What are the school and guest speaker? I live in the area and would like to be forewarned about bumping into this crowd.

    I would have hung around to watch the embarassment and subsequent soft shoe dance.
     
  24. akodo

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    excellent excellent work, plus good thinking on your feet.

    Of course, it is easy to think about additional stuff to say and do after the fact, when you have time to think, not get caught 'cold turkey'.

    I'd have stayed, said 'why don't YOU leave'
    If this is a public highschool i woudl have told the teacher you have a problem with a politically driven person coming in and passing opinion off as fact, demand the teacher make the speaker leave. Go to the principal as well, state that you think if a person is going to come in and speak on a matter of opinion, the teacher should be required to announce it beforehand, and attempt to find someone to speak about the other side. The schools are for learning, not spreading a specific political agenda. Submit said request in writing as well, and tell him if he doesn't agree, you will write a letter to the editor of the local paper stating your request and his refusal.

    Now, are there any progun phonenumbers a person could call to get assitance or an expert when they see stuff like this giong on?
     
  25. white_interpreter

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    THREE CHEERS to 30-06 lover.

    sorry if i got the name wrong.
     
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