I shot this target today with 3.3 Grs Clays in .357 brass with a WSP primer. I was aiming at the top of the black, so it was about 3 bullets high at 7 yards. I also shot a Berrys 158 Gr HP that shot almost as well. These two bullets have shot very well with several powders and the X-Treme 158 SWC usually outshoots it by a bit. I also shot both loads in my M-28. It shoots well but has a slow barrel. It shoots like a 4" gun.
I had tried 700X, SR-4756, Trail Boss, Bullseye, Red Dot, American Select, W-231, WSF, AA #2, 5744, N310, N320, N330, Zip, and some shot quite well, and some were very clean while doing it, but all of them were position sensitive, some to the point that a charge that would give 700 to 800 FPS with the powder back, would give 400 to 500 FPS velocities to even sticking a bullet in the barrel. The slowest velocity I remember recording that exited the barrel was in the very high 300's.
5744 with 158 Gr bullets filled the case, but had to go to a slightly compressed load to get a full burn and that got me up over light target velocities. Very clean and very accurate in the right combination though. I tried small rifle primers with it, but small pistol gave a little better accuracy with both loads tried. (For those that said 5744? )
I had bought Clays because it was supposed to be the cats meow in .45. I loaded some up, went to the range, expecting to be wowed, and wasn't. Good results, but not WOW results. Anyway, it was put to the side for awhile.
Then I tried it for downloaded .357 target loads. WOW. The load that I shot the target with gave an Avg velocity of 735 from my 6" Trooper.
Hi-762...Lo-711...Avg-735...ES-51...SD-17 - Trooper
Hi-710...Lo-666...Avg-688...ES-44...SD-14 - M-28
One shot with the powder forward in the Trooper gave 667 FPS. Much better than anything else tried in that regard.
The one shot out of the group is obviously my fault. (anticipated recoil I guess :banghead: )
I have shot 700X for years in .38 Spl., and while its numbers were not that great it shot very well and was very clean. It did well in downloaded .357, but Clays is my new favorite for this application. It is very accurate, pleasant to shoot, & extremely clean. The cases looked as close to unfired as it gets, there was no residue in the cases, chambers, or bore.
3.1 to 3.1 Grs Clays and a 158 Gr plated bullet depending on what velocities you want. I would hesitate to go much higher, and would do it 1/10th of a grain at a time if I did. There is a good bit of difference between 3.1 and 3.3 Grs. There were no pressure signs at all, but there is no load data any where to corroborate this. The old Hodgdon cowboy powder data links seem to be gone. They may show something if someone has them printed off, but all I have is the .45 Colt one.
3.0 to 3.1 Grs and a plated 148 Gr DEWC seated flush is also very good.
These loads were safe in my guns using my load technique. Reduce 10% to start and work up SLOW.
I had tried 700X, SR-4756, Trail Boss, Bullseye, Red Dot, American Select, W-231, WSF, AA #2, 5744, N310, N320, N330, Zip, and some shot quite well, and some were very clean while doing it, but all of them were position sensitive, some to the point that a charge that would give 700 to 800 FPS with the powder back, would give 400 to 500 FPS velocities to even sticking a bullet in the barrel. The slowest velocity I remember recording that exited the barrel was in the very high 300's.
5744 with 158 Gr bullets filled the case, but had to go to a slightly compressed load to get a full burn and that got me up over light target velocities. Very clean and very accurate in the right combination though. I tried small rifle primers with it, but small pistol gave a little better accuracy with both loads tried. (For those that said 5744? )
I had bought Clays because it was supposed to be the cats meow in .45. I loaded some up, went to the range, expecting to be wowed, and wasn't. Good results, but not WOW results. Anyway, it was put to the side for awhile.
Then I tried it for downloaded .357 target loads. WOW. The load that I shot the target with gave an Avg velocity of 735 from my 6" Trooper.
Hi-762...Lo-711...Avg-735...ES-51...SD-17 - Trooper
Hi-710...Lo-666...Avg-688...ES-44...SD-14 - M-28
One shot with the powder forward in the Trooper gave 667 FPS. Much better than anything else tried in that regard.
The one shot out of the group is obviously my fault. (anticipated recoil I guess :banghead: )
I have shot 700X for years in .38 Spl., and while its numbers were not that great it shot very well and was very clean. It did well in downloaded .357, but Clays is my new favorite for this application. It is very accurate, pleasant to shoot, & extremely clean. The cases looked as close to unfired as it gets, there was no residue in the cases, chambers, or bore.
3.1 to 3.1 Grs Clays and a 158 Gr plated bullet depending on what velocities you want. I would hesitate to go much higher, and would do it 1/10th of a grain at a time if I did. There is a good bit of difference between 3.1 and 3.3 Grs. There were no pressure signs at all, but there is no load data any where to corroborate this. The old Hodgdon cowboy powder data links seem to be gone. They may show something if someone has them printed off, but all I have is the .45 Colt one.
3.0 to 3.1 Grs and a plated 148 Gr DEWC seated flush is also very good.
These loads were safe in my guns using my load technique. Reduce 10% to start and work up SLOW.