Clean your carry gun! and change out your ammo.

Good advice. Glad it happened in a non critical situation.

 

what ammo was it? That's pretty strange

 

Clearing your gun every day is a really bad idea. It requires more gun handling, increasing the chances of a fumble and an ND.
It also beats the dickens out of the repeatedly chambered round, a significant thing for sometimes scarce ammo.
Yes, you should shoot away/replace your carry ammo, and yes, the carry gun should get a periodic fieldstrip and lube.
But if you're slipping it into a lockbox, so that it is out of reach, and you habitually check guns for their status, before handling, there's no harm in leaving it loaded.
Moon

 

IMO sounds like a good argument for carrying factory defensive ammo.

 

More like repeated bullet nose bumping on feed ramp loosening the neck tension, ultimately sending bullet forward out of case neck from slide cycling velocity/chambering force.

I tell people to measure their EDC rounds for bullet setback and if they notice significant setback, to rotate out with fresh ammunition.

This happens with factory ammunition more so as "finishing" dies are used to iron smooth bulged case neck and lead core is reduced but brass spring back could reduce neck tension. This is why our reloads that retain good neck tension by expressing bulged case neck by bullet base produce less/no bullet setback when chambered. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...un-brass-worth-it.912195/page-2#post-12454962


Disclaimer: Following information provided for educational purposes only.

If you do not want to induce bullet setback/lessening neck tension, you can manually chamber a round and releasing the slide or press in the extractor spring part and ease the extractor over the case rim then pushing the slide to full battery.

 

On or around the first of the month I shoot my carry guns, a CZ P01 and a CZ 97b. clean and reload. The nightstand Glock 21 every couple of months or more when I feel like shooting it.

 

All of this assumes all the rounds in the mag were repeatedly chambered. OP said only the chambered round was changed out every few weeks. Clarifcation needed

 

So if these weren't repeatedly chambered, then were these factory or reloads?

 

When I load duplicate factory JHP with same Gold Dot HP and Golden Saber JHP bullets for practice, I select thicker case wall brass that won't experience bullet setback when chambered as a safety precaution - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...neck-tension-and-bullet-setback.830072/page-4

 

I agree, there's need to investigate further and do some "root cause analysis" if OP is going to continue using these reloads for defensive purposes.

For me, I prefer to use factory ammunition for HD/SD because I don't want my reloading equipment/supplies held as evidence if police investigation ensues ... Handing over couple of same lot boxes of factory ammunition is so much easier and more convenient, for me.

 

Great thread, and shoot that old, carry ammo. Keep ancient ammo away from the carry gun.

 

Heh...

I always like the people who absolutely insist on rotating their ammo through their magazine so much! Yeah, I get it...if I go to the range to shoot my carry piece, I unload my carry ammo and shoot my target ammo, then rotate the carry rounds back into my gun. But periodically, I just unload the gun the fun way, but shooting my carry ammo and then reload with new when I'm done at the range.

Carry ammo isn't THAT expensive that I can't afford to occasionally just shoot up the ammo in my carry and spare magazine and reload fresh. With my Colt 1991A1, that's 15 rounds total. With my Walther CCP-M2, that's 17 rounds. A couple boxes of self-defense ammo lasts a long time, even so. It's not gold or platinum...shoot that stuff up once in a while and use some fresh ammo!


ANOTHER POINT ABOUT CLEANING:

People quite often go "crazy" about proving the reliability of their carry piece with phenomenal amounts of ammunition. Like 500 or 1,000 rounds of flawless performance before they'll carry it for self-defense. Only to have someone like me totally mess their day up.

"So...was that 1,000 round of flawless performance with your chosen carry ammo or target ammo?"

"OK...so now you've proven the reliability of your weapon, which you've now cleaned and loaded up with your self-defense ammo. How do you KNOW it's going to perform flawlessly after you've completely disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled it? Did you test fire it?"

 

Timely post for me! I've been shooting my Shield since early summer without cleaning (just guessing it's been 3-400 rounds total) to see how long before it "failed" and that is what happened yesterday! The slide started sticking a bit and needed a gentle nudge to go into full battery. Not too shabby, and much better than my Sig P238 which needs cleaned after about 100 rounds or so.

I need to be more conscientious about rotating my ammo...

 

Good question.

With my Beretta 92F, my chosen was Gold Dot 115 grain HP. This was because on the range I couldn't tell the difference in performance between that any the 115 grain WWB ammo I typically shoot in it. However, I rarely carry that particular pistol.

I have a Walther CCP-M2 in 9mm that I haven't tried any hollowpoint ammo through yet, so I haven't picked any self-defense to try in it yet. In truth, I haven't gone through enough FMJ yet to settle on a preferred mass. So far it seems to like 115 gr. and 124 gr. equally. I haven't tried any 147 gr. yet.

I have some Gold Dot 115 gr., but I'm keeping it handy for my Beretta. Self-defense ammo is insanely expensive right now, and Gold Dot is pretty hard to find right now. $40 for a 50 round box of Sig Sauer Elite V-Crown in 147 gr. is about as good a deal as I've seen in the stores recently. Federal self defense rounds are insane for 20 round boxes. Cor Bon is better, but their 20 round boxes ain't much of a deal, either. And a lot of other stuff is "out of stock" where I'd normally buy it (The Armory in Virginia Beach).

Next trip to the range will be some quality target time, now that I'm a bit more used to my Walther. I need to see how my sight modifications help my aging eyes with accuracy, then I can make a decision on a few different self-defense ammo choices to try out for comparison.

My goal is to find a self-defense round that is not only reliable, but indistinguishable on the target at the range when I shoot them. This way I'll know my target ammo will be a reasonable training choice.

 

This type of ammunition failure was exactly the scenario that occurred when a local sheriffs office had a major shootout with a guy up in the mountains.

Several of their patrol rifles had 5.56/.223 bullets loosen after 1-2 years ( or more!) of being in magazines in patrol cars. Deputies found some of the bottom rounds had bullets that had worked out (or were pushed in) and powder had spilled into their magazines. This discovery led to a county-wide swap out of all duty ammo and a rotation policy to keep fresh ammo on board.

While patrol rifles locked in metal racks are certainly rattled a whole lot more than 99% of our ccw pistols would be, bullet loosening can happen. Always a good idea to check stuff and regularly maintain your ccw. (I personally don’t unload/load every night but to each their own.)

Stay safe.