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Cleaning bores

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Top_Gunn, Sep 16, 2007.

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  1. Top_Gunn

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    I recently looked at the manual for the Marlin 981T on Marlin's Web site. It says that, in normal use, the bore shouldn't need cleaning. Is this a Marlin thing? A bolt-action thing? A .22 thing? Nonsense?
     
  2. R.W.Dale

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    cleaning a 22LR barrel is a shurefire way to destroy accuracy and constancy. You will do far more harm by overcleaning a 22 barrel than you ever will by shooting it.

    this ONLY applies to .22LR though
     
  3. Bartkowski

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    Never heard that from a manufacturer, but glad I just did.
     
  4. esmith

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    What the hell is this? Of course you need to clean your rifles. As longs as you aren't shoving some bent aluminum 3 piece rod through thats corroded how does this 'destroy' accuracy.
     
  5. Bartkowski

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    It can wear down the rifling, if you do it to much. But I will still clean my 22 after 1 or 2 hundred rounds.
     
  6. SaMx

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    I run a patch through the bore with a pull-through thingy. If the rifling will wear of from pulling a cotton patch through the bore, then there are bigger problems than over cleaning.

    although if you have a steel brush on a steel rod (especially a 3 piece rod) then you can scratch things up. But that's true with any rifle.
     
  7. esmith

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    Yeah i know that.
     
  8. R.W.Dale

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    http://www.riflebarrels.com/support/rimfire_maintenance.htm

    In other words unless you have a lead buildup in the chamber leade area LEAVE THE BORE ALONE!

    I've found this applies to all my .22's not just match barrels.
     
  9. JohnBT

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    I think the distinction being made is to clean, but not scrub unless it really, really needs it.

    Cleaning won't hurt a .22 barrel and scrubbing won't either if it's done properly.

    John
     
  10. lencac

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    I hate cleaning 22 cal. stuff. I've worn out a couple of Marlin 22 auto loaders. For what they cost, just shoot the crap out of 'em, de-mil and discard.
     
  11. KBintheSLC

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    I have to question this theory based on my own experience. I have never had issues with "over cleaning" on my 10/22 or my MKIII. Never even heard of this before. It doesn't really make sense when you consider the simple laws of matter interaction... softer materials wear down much faster than harder materials when the two interact. In other words, a copper brush tip and an aluminum rod should not damage a hardened steel bore unless you really try hard to do this damage... or maybe after many thousands of brushings (much more than a lifetimes worth). Further more, a soft cotton patch would exponentially decrease the already minimal probability of causing such damage. I clean my guns after every use... with no exceptions. The 10/22 is 23 years old (at least 25,000 rounds) and still does quarter-sized groups at 50 meters.

    I do agree however that a bore brush is not necessary more than once per 500-1000 rounds. Just solvent and patches will do the job most of the time.
     
  12. esmith

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    Aluminum rods are not good for bores, especially the three piece. One, Aluminum does corrode turning into aluminum oxide, at least a layer of it will. This is found on many sand papers, so if sand paper can scratch your gun, as will a cleaning rod. Two bent cleaning rods put pressure on the sides of the bore while cleaning, and if its corroded it will only aid in scratching the metal.
     
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    Friend of mine does a lot of competitive 22rf bench rest shooting. He cleans his guns after every shooting session but also says many of those he competes against never clean the bores, just the actions. I clean all of my 22 rf about once a year. Best thing is to do whatever you are most comfortable with.
     
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    One word - boresnake. For .22lr no more often than every 200 rounds and every 500 is fine.
     
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    There is a solution... don't use old, oxidized aluminum rods. You can get a brand new 1 piece for oh... $9.
     
  16. Bartkowski

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    I'll tell you what, the day I start seeing accuracy decrease because of the use of aluminum rods, I will pay $30 for a new carbon fiber one. But as of now, my accuracy is good, and the same as when I got the gun.
     
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    That is my experience with my CZ452 Super Exclusive as well the only difference is I've NEVER cleaned the bore on it since new.
     
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    You'd be suprised on how fast something can oxidize.
     
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    So what does everyone one here use? And anyone who is using aluminum rods like me, do you have any problems? I sure don't.
     
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    I am talking in excess, if you over clean your gun, the bore can wear down. Especially if its a bent aluminum that happens to have been sitting out for ahwile.
     
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    All I own is old aluminum 3-piece rods. Use 'em on everything. The idea that an oxidized aluminum rod will act as sandpaper is laughable. AO abrasives are specially formulated in a process that doesn't even resemble everyday oxidation, otherwise your screen door would be grinding its own hinge pins off every 6 months.
     
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    I get a kick out of the people who on one hand feel that cramming a bent piece of aluminum down the bore of their rimfire is OK and yet feel that shooting even softer lead ammunition without cleaning is a mortal sin.


    WHICH IS IT?
     
  23. Bartkowski

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    I know, I understand what you said. I am saying that I still use an aluminum rod and that there is no sandpaper grit forming on my rod, probably due to the fact that oil from the gun cleaning is working the same as it would on steel. And what is the rod you use made out of?

    Cramming? Maybe we have different techniques? But I do not clean my .22lr every time it is shot, but most of the time do to to fact that I will usually shoot it 200 times during a range session.
     
  24. MT GUNNY

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    I realy like my coated Tipton rod.

    I dont know if its relevent, But I saw a section of plastic wire loom
    wear a hole in the side of a aluminum head on a atv (due to vibration).
     
  25. esmith

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    Aluminum. I spray it with some remoil and run it through some paper towel to remove any corrosion. Thats why it puts that grey dust on the towel. I am not speaking about dissolved gun powder from the barrel so do not confuse me. If i let the clean rod stay out for awhile and do what i described above, you will see dirt on whatever towel you run it through.
     
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