CLEO signoff elimination going forward

[Trent]

This will be HUGELY helpful for many folks in Illinois, now that we have SBR's.

 

[crazy-mp]

I'm new to the NFA section, having only shown an interest in setting up a trust to make it easier on my family if something happens to me and to get everything moved into a trust IF something stupid happens in Congress. At a minimum, since there wouldn't be any transfer, I could avoid the tax stamp if "Black Guns" become NFA listed.

ATF form 5 would allow you to transfer your item(s) upon your death tax free to another individual. No need for a trust on that argument. If "Black Guns" as you call them were moved to the NFA list they would most likely be be grandfathered in like the USAS-12 and street sweepers were.

Yeah... Why?

Because it will eliminate the nameless faceless trust, and it will make the NFA cliques a thing of the past.

And none of these new laws and or regulations will stop future school shootings.

This change has been in the works for over a year now, NOTHING in government moves that fast. The NFATCA announced this during last years meeting. The announcement was projected to be released during the 4th quarter of 2012 and it was released first quarter of 2013, not too bad.

Not sure where to even get them done these days, as Texas DPS has gone to electronic fingerprint scans for the CHL.

Anybody can do fingerprints it does not have to be LEO.

 

[wacki]

Anyone know when this becomes effective? when the comment period ends?

Also, my whole family is on my trust. Will I need to print & photograph them every time I buy a can or SBR?

 

[Bubbles]

The public comment period hasn't started yet. This is just the first of many steps that still need to be completed.

Also, this rule change will require changing the format of the Form 1 and Form 4, which doesn't happen overnight either. I'd say the earliest the change could potentially go into effect is this summer.

 

[doom]

Finally, I can start the process for a pen gun and other AOW stuff

 

[IdahoSkies]

Is the actual text of the proposed rule available yet?

 

[mvorbrodt]

LEO sign off and the Trusts were always a turn off for me. If this goes through, I will be a very happy, and quiet, camper

 

[-v-]

I feel for the guys who have a trust right now for whom this new proposed regulation will cause headaches. That said, no CLEO signoff is a big plus. When this goes through I am definitely putting down the $200 to SBR a few of my rifles.

 

[AlexanderA]

This could be fast-tracked by being added to any pending post-Newtown legislation. While we're at it, include a provision to repeal the Hughes Amendment (on the ground of "registering" more guns). Let the antis choke on "poison pills."

 

[MasterSergeantA]

This could be fast-tracked by being added to any pending post-Newtown legislation. While we're at it, include a provision to repeal the Hughes Amendment (on the ground of "registering" more guns). Let the antis choke on "poison pills."

Now THERE is an idea worth pursuing.

 

[smithwr3]

So those of us that have family corps have to waste all kinds of time getting our family members photographed and fingerprinted every time we want to buy a NFA item? That's BS that I have to waste my time doing this. I'm active duty overseas and what if me and my brother are deployed at the same time and aren't somewhere that can fingerprint and photograph us? We have to slow down the process for everyone else in our corp? Oh and the ATFE is so efficient by mailing off the fingerprint cards to the FBI to do a background check. You think ATFE will get any quicker at approving NFA forms? Last time I looked the federal government was under a hiring freeze and they won't be getting more manpower to support this. Also, do you or anyone in the ATFE honestly believe that most corps would allow prohibited members access to NFA weapons? To say it is a no-win situation for the corp and it's members is an understatement.

Let's get real and voice our opposition to this proposed rule.

 

[Bubbles]

Last time I looked the federal government was under a hiring freeze and they won't be getting more manpower to support this.

Incorrect. This posting is for 11 new examiner positions, including NFA:
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/336785100

BTW it will only be up for a week if you want to apply. I would go for it since it's only 10 miles from me, but I would have to give up my FFL and I can't afford the pay cut...

 

[kimbershot]

i got 2 cans on a form 4 from another state and a pending form 1 sbr build on a trust with my new state. i can't speculate on what the gov will or won't do--it is what it is until it ain't. i would not have done a trust if i didn't have to.