CLEO Signoff Going Away per ATF?

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Thanks! I figured he was confused, I'm not sure how to tell him he is mistaken and that if they look me up the system or something they will know I'm good to go. He is being nice about it so I think I can explain it to him, just getting my facts in order first! You guys have been a huge help
 
CLEO Signature Requirement Going Away!

Yaay! :evil:

Longer wait times, boo! :banghead:

;)

got this in an e-mail this morning.

CLEO Requirement to be Discontinued

For enthusiasts of NFA-controlled firearms (e.g., machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns, suppressors), the requirement to get the local chief of police or sheriff's approval on the required Form 1 or Form 4 has been a problem. Started at the inception of the National Firearms Act, the idea was to get the person in front of the chief or sheriff - who was expected to know the "problem children" in his or her jurisdiction - to keep wackos from getting these special weapons. In the 30s through the 70s, that was potentially appropriate: there was no national computer database available at all hours to get criminal histories.

Now, someone buying a .22 rifle can have the National Instant (Background) Check (NICS) and leave the gunshop in fifteen minutes.

Since the CLEOs (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) approval was based on that person's supposed knowledge of local citizens and not whether or not the CLEO thought "people shouldn't own guns like that," it was (and is) often misused.

The National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association (NFATCA) has sought removal of the CLEO requirement for the last six years, according to NFATCA Executive Director and Board Member Jeff Folloder.

"There wasn't a lot of high profile aspects of the effort," he said in a phone interview. "It was a lot of drudgery and detail work trying to get the ATF to go along with removing that requirement."

They eventually did and ran the recommendation up to U.S. Department of Justice. The proposal was returned to NFA Branch for some clarifications. These were completed and the recommendation was sent back up.

Clearing the CLEO requirement off of Forms 1 and 4 has been approved by the DOJ. The revised Forms are being laid out and sent to Office of Management and Budget. They'll examine the proposed regulations and forms change and open the proceeding up for public comments. When that process is completed, they'll approve the printing run and disseminate the forms.

Something could happen to derail the process but it's not clear that anyone wants to. A problem does lurk if the proposed change - an apparently good thing - completes the bureaucratic process: There will be a run on NFA firearms from citizens who could legally own NFA guns but had a chief or sheriff who denied them the right.

Are there that many who were denied?

"The Harris County Sheriff (Texas) has never approved a Form 1 or Form 4," Mr. Folloder said. "That's potentially four million applications right there. Since there's a federal hiring freeze and the number of examiners will not increase, the increased applications will likely expand the time needed to get completed forms back from ATF/NFA."

He told people to be careful for what they wish. It looks like now we'll get it.

A call to the ATF's NFA branch for comment was not returned.

--Rich Grassi

Grassi is editor of our companion news service The Tactical Wire (www.thetacticalwire.com)
 
Better get off my duff and do those last two SBR forms this weekend!

I went the trust route, although I did have a Harris county full auto done in the '80s, because my first wife's grandfather had the political juice to get the form signed for me.

Its why I became an NRA member, it system was/is being abused.
 
If you register your NFA items as a Corporation (Ex: LLC), you don't need no stinking CLEO signature :)
One of the other changes being contemplated by ATFE is the requirement for all persons listed on a trust to provide photos and fingerprints, just like any individual filing.

Of course, with the CLEO signature requirement going away, that pretty much negates the need for a trust for most folks.
 
Has there been any official word that the ATF will actually be getting rid of the CLEO requirement. At this time it seems as though all we're hearing are rumors?
 
When the Form4/Form1 is submitted you would have to send a duplicate copy of it to the CLEO just like you do on an FFL application. You would also submit all the names on your trust with your application.

Not in effect at this time.

There is no "effective date" at this time, its in the process of being approved and getting to the register at that point there will be papers published about it, it is beyond the "proposal" phase though, govt takes time to make these things go from paper to law etc...

This information was from the NFA Trade Collectors Association, the group that advocated and pushed for this change.
 
Because it's still percolating through the federal bureaucracy.
 
I called the ATF on this a few months ago and they knew nothing about it. So I went about setting up a Trust...

Unless you are going to stop at one, the hassle of fingerprint cards and photos, even with a reasonable CLEO, is IMHO the #1 reason to go with a Trust.

For years Houston was a no go, but I got one signed by having relatives with political clout, when the Trust route became available that is what I did when I once again could afford class 3 toys, as only so many favors can be redeemed. Our new DA was signing, but she lost in the primary, no telling what the new guy will do :(
 
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